Igor The Troll

U like my freaking wife. Screams diverse every few years, pack her bags, but never leaves. I want a divorce and half of Loren Feldman! U got that? Or I will take your Troll Ass to Amanda Chapel's Court! ROFLMAO - Igor The Troll

you are welcome to your friends. I'm not going to take them away Igor. those are my terms... while ur terms were to do on my turf the way you saw fit. u behaved worse then Amnesty International. I told u not to bother my friend Troll, instead you didn't listen to me and tried to take away his toys. do your "Human Rights" activism elsewhere. Universalizing intellectual property is almost as bad as universalizing a Republic. It is arbitrary and uses logic only within your own axioms and not relevant to the reality on the ground. be careful with the women you show. Using Igor's logic he gets to share them. - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Noah, you friended every one of my friends like a shadow. Now you trolling me on facebook, saying shit aout me in the public. I do not want you to friend me on facebook. - Igor The Troll

AM I TO ASSUME UR FRIENDS ARE SO THIN SKINNED THAT THEY CAN'T LISTEN TO THIS? you told me to friend them... you make demands on your shadow? your logic parallels your concept of friendship - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Noah, yes, they are conservative people and I just met them. So I am trying to be nice. Maybe it is not me? But I want to see what they are about first. Anyway, you defriended me, why do you want to be my friend again? - Igor The Troll

not on facebook for now.... David doesn't hate you... but I need my messages to be free for Sara. She sent me a message.... she is very lonely and you are taking up all my time... love - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

If you really want to talk to me in private, you could have emailed me. Anyway, I want some time off from "our friendship" Sorry, but you made me feel bad. - Igor The Troll

no problem... you were acting bad - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

I act like I like, that is me. You act like you like that is you. Stop your condescending. There is a lot of shit that you did that I stood up for you. I never turned my back on you when people where saying shit about you. I got involved in your fights, just to help you. For you David is more important than our friendship? Anyway, talk is cheap. If you want to be my friend, you know how to friend me on FaceBook. When you friend me, I may friend you back, or maybe I will not depeding how I feel. - Igor The Troll

David was open to you. you tried to test my community and my friends. a friend should not test the waters to see his friend's loyalties. I told you not to friend him in the first place because I knew he would not appreciate your POV. you said we could have diversity of thought... but only by your mischievous games. you are like Amnesty International and the UN in the guise of Democracy, but really you were farting around my pool. you were testing the line everywhere & you aren't even honest 2 admit it - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

don't make facebook the promised land Mr Moses. you have to be humble to Israel's cyber line of intellectual property b4 u enter the land of milk & honey. you went public with the outcry first. It was not David who talked shit about you... it was me the whole time. I don't take well to being double crossed by those that don't obey my demands. David was a passive instrument. I was the one who warned David... not the other way around. I don't hate you... but I know you. - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

do you know how I know you? because I know myself. - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Goodbye Noah! You are not my friend! - Igor The Troll

good you are learning boundaries. not the ones I wanted... but better then none - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Fuck you and your boundaries! Now stop Trolling me! - Igor The Troll

http://twitter.com/AnotherTwee... Latest: turned off all twitterfeeds to this account. friendfeed does it now. I don't need to be high tech to fuck you. - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Your life is nothing more than hating people. - Igor The Troll

not on my JIDF! - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

I do not care about JIDF - Igor The Troll

ur going to feel the pain that my last victims felt Igor. see the horror in @1938media's eyes? - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

A tool. - Sean McBride

I wrote a post today on neoconservatives (its in my FriendFeed somewhere), but in short, I think they are trying to rehabilitate their image by claiming credit for various foreign policy success. I wouldn't pay too much attention to them, we'll have to wait and see what Obama actually does before passing judgment. - Jamelle

See Robert Dreyfuss's important article, just published: "Still Preparing to Attack Iran: The Neoconservatives in the Obama Era" http://www.truthout.org/120308... The neocon era is not remotely over. It is quite likely that they will succeed in expanding the Iraq War to Iran and Pakistan, which has long been a major objective of theirs. The Obama administration is dominated by the neoliberal wing of the neoconservative movement. Dreyfuss has all the details. - Sean McBride

iran attack would piss me off - Gregory Lent

Sean - I say this with all sincerity - I appreciate your ability and propensity for categorization and the ability for cleaner macro-level analysis it provides but I have absolutely no idea what "neoliberal wing of the neoconservative movement" means - If Iran developed a nuke and Rachael Maddow began advocating military intervention would she start the "Progressive neoconservative" wing? - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

An Iran attack would probably collapse the American economy much worse than it has already collapsed, in part as a result of the Iraq War -- but the neoconservatives don't care. - Sean McBride

From Alternet: http://www.alternet.org/audits... - V for Veselka

V - Robert Dreyfuss is one of the world's foremost experts on these topics. It's unfortunate that quite a few hardcore Obama supporters aren't familiar with all the facts in this article. If they were, they wouldn't be taken by surprise by coming events. - Sean McBride

marco, to me they are simply two words for the same thing (and probably some sort of deep ego/fear/personality disorder that any ideological extremism both springs from and acerbates) and these two camps basically converge in a world view that is as intense as it is blind .. this mindset seems increasingly present in american foreign policy decisions and world view .. an early sign of decline - Gregory Lent

Look there are two reason for war with Iran, not that I approve or condone it. One, Global economy, wars make jobs. Two, the Arab countries holding the world for ransom with Oil. If Oil prices are high the world economy suffers. If oil prices are low all the democratic governments in the middle east get toppled, and you will have a Muslim Extremist Fundamentalist controlling the world with Ballistic missiles and God forbid nuclear bombs. What is the solution? - Igor The Troll

And please do not tell me it is Israel. That is just plain Antisemitism. Hitler hated the Jews before there was the State of Israel. Muslim Extreme Fundamentalist hated Christian before the State of Israel. - Igor The Troll

@gregory and therein lies the rub - both you and sean are very adept at viewing things from a 30,000 ft level which lends to neat categorization, the identification of shared motivations and easy spotting of potential trends - these are all good things but I think that, unfortunately, they serve a more powerful function when used in hindsight - when used in the thick of things it leads to an apples and oranges debate of ideas - Dreyfuss was awesome in Down and Out in Beverly Hills by the way (kidding) - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

lol ... in the thick of this thing, something is up ... maturity, change, and world-wide vision are what got obama elected, hope he can live up to his own hype, given what he has surrounded himself with .. as for me, i think all of these dramas are the result of a huge wind blowing through creation, and nothing can be done about any of it ... collective consciousness is what it is - Gregory Lent

yes and no from my perspective - i may not agree with you or sean but i do believe that people like you play an important role as do the people you label neocons - it doesn't always work as it should but on balance i believe that the free and aggressive debate of ideas weeds out the weak arguments and elevates those with merit - i agree that human nature is the cause of many of these patterns but i don't believe for a second that you believe nothing can be done about it - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

Marco - are you able to engage in dialogue or debate with any of the facts and analysis in Robert Dreyfuss's latest article? The close ties between neoconservatives and neoliberals have long been known to political analysts -- they are two arms of the same lobby. The neoliberal wing of the Democratic Party enabled the neoconservative war against Iraq in the Republican Party. They are now coordinating their activities to expand the Iraq War to Iran and Pakistan. - Sean McBride

Marco - by the way, the neoconservatives labeled themselves neoconservatives -- that is their own label. Do a search on Amazon.com on the term, and you will discover a large collection of high-quality books dissecting the ideology, history, policies and plans of the neoconservatives. - Sean McBride

Marco: i must confess, I didn't know what "neoliberal" meant when a friend said it to me a while back. It made no sense. I thought it somehow had to do with genuine liberalism. She kept conflating it with neo conservatism. I kept saying "why don't you just call them conservatives or neo cons?" To which she said, "because they are neo liberal." After that, I did some homework (which exceeded the scope of this link btw) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N... - V for Veselka

Sean: I think if you were to do a rough survey of Friend Feeders (i.e., how many of you can define the difference between liberalism, neo liberalism and neo conservatism) you'd find that very few could even articulate a definition of neo liberalism. I'd argue that it's not so commonly known or understood beyond those who have formally studied social and political thought. - V for Veselka

Sean - here is all I am saying - i get the value that labels provide i just think that when you put as much emphasis on the justification of the use of those labels you do yourself and the larger debate a disservice. Look back at your original post - its core logical assertion is not: "we should be careful of foreign policy x, y and z for these reasons" - it is "Obama's appointments are bad because person x, y and z likes them" - u have completely shifted the focus of the debate from the actual arguments.. - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

...that concern you most and made it about something completely different. I'm all for talking about the need to prefer one approach over the other but when you force everything into such a macro-viewed narrative it makes it difficult - you say "they are now coordinating their activities to expand the iraq war to iran and pakistan" but, by itself, that statement has no meaning - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

labels are a substitute for values .. hard to talk about values, easy to use labels .. the underlying assumption with political criticism is indeed about values, that there is a better way to live than is currently being extolled ... all people feel this about their set of values .. labels save the day by being in the end not nearly as threatening as opposing values - Gregory Lent

its only hard to talk about values because we refuse to - values are derived from our experiences and what we believe about human nature and the world we live in - the problem we get into is that we refuse to consider or believe that someone who prioritizes a different set of values than we do does so because, like us, they want an outcome that will make everyone's life better - we don't understand their value matrix so instead of at least trying to truly understand their motivations we group them... - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

...label the group and then look for whatever patterns we can find within the labeled group to support our assumption that they have impure motives. You assume that neocons share a common dedication to the nefarious - some of them may I don't know - what i do know is that when you focus on assigning motivations based on the labels that have been derived it completely derails the debate - it is no longer about the best outcome but whether or not your assessment of their motivations is correct - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

i totally agree with you marco ... and am convinced that the way forward in almost all current conundrums, from economy to terrorism to politics is to fully engage in value-based dialogues ... but ego comes in, and people would rather suicide than give up their values, because self-definition is based on it ... we don't have the skills or the vocabulary yet to do this ... will take some years .. but has to be done ... me me me has no strategic value anymore - Gregory Lent

i definitely think we have the vocab and ability to do it now - the problem is - as we unfortunately saw on FF during the election - that we all want someone else to do it first - many of us may walk into a conversation prepared to listen with an open mind but as soon as someone breaches the line that separates honest debate centered around values and motivation-assigning generalized attacks we feel the need to respond in kind - only takes a few people who refuse to play that game to get the ball rolling - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

While you bitching like old hags, Noah will build a ship and we will fly away! LMAO - Igor The Troll

values, should they be based on belief? or should they be even more basic, such as brainwaves, a quiet mind being the answer to most problems? should we embrace concepts like spiral dynamics and design for the higher awarenesses? or let the soup continue to be stirred by the flow of collective consciousness? can we admit that differing concepts of being a person demand different systems of organization/government? or does everybody have to have a "democracy"? how about gender concepts, is there one right - Gregory Lent

Marco - I am very precise about assigning policy positions to neoconservatives and neoliberals -- I work empirically from the facts. Both the neocons and neolibs worked in tandem to engineer the Iraq War, and they are now agitating to expand that war to Iran. Do you disagree? Did you take the trouble to digest Dreyfuss's article fact by fact? The neocons especially are an open book about their relentless warmongering. - Sean McBride

Marco - Rachel Maddow hasn't been agitating for an Iran War -- that is exactly the point -- she is a progressive, not a neoliberal. For that matter, conservatives (including libertarians) and liberals (including progressives) share much more in common with one another than they do with neoconservatives and neoliberals. - Sean McBride

Regarding the war and economy issue: an Israeli or American attack on Iran would probably drive the price of gas to $10 or $15 a gallon, and hammer the final nail into the coffin of the American economy. And I don't know of any economists who believe that the projected expenditure of several trillions of dollars in the Iraq War has been good for the American economy; on the contrary: we are on the verge of a major depression. - Sean McBride

So praise for appointments = philosophical and ideological agreement? Are we that partisan now that you can't respect the other if you disagree with them? - mikepk

V - an intense discussion about neoconservatism and neoliberalism has been going on in policy circles for decades now. Try Googling both "neoconservatism" and "neoliberalism" separately and together for some background. Most Americans know nothing about the dialogue because the mainstream media have worked hard to keep the debate from the American public. For the most part, the mainstream media are owned and controlled by neoconservatives and neoliberals, and they seek to keep as low a profile as possible. - Sean McBride

mikepk - There is no conceivable way that neoconservatives would praise these appointments if they didn't believe that the appointments were compatible with their policy objectives. Their number one objective is to expand the Iraq War (which they engineered) to Iran and Pakistan. Did you take the trouble to read the Robert Dreyfuss article carefully? - Sean McBride

More from Robert Dreyfuss: "Last spring, Tony Lake and Susan Rice, for example, took part in a WINEP "2008 Presidential Task Force" study which resulted in a report entitled, "Strengthening the Partnership: How to Deepen U.S.-Israel Cooperation on the Iranian Nuclear Challenge." The Institute, part of the Washington-based Israel lobby, was founded in coordination with the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), and has been vigorously supporting a confrontation with Iran. The task force report, issued in June, was overseen by four WINEP heavyweights: Robert Satloff, WINEP's executive director, Patrick Clawson, its chief Iran analyst, David Makovsky, a senior fellow, and Dennis Ross, an adviser to Obama who is also a WINEP fellow." - Sean McBride

You know, I am beginning to realize that empirical political analysis conducted at the level of sophistication and detail of folks like Robert Dreyfuss is going over the heads of most Americans (including most Friendfeeders). They can't keep track of how all the pieces fit together to form influential political networks that fly under the radar of public consciousness. Too much information. - Sean McBride

i actually don't like the labels so much, i can see intention and motivation, and proceed in my understandings from there .. but they are necessary for great discourse, which i usually can only stand on the sidelines and watch/feel - Gregory Lent

When political activists consciously and deliberately associate themselves with particular ideologies, political groups and policy positions, then labels matter. Labels are how we keep track of who is pushing what policies and with what objectives and motives. Labels matter greatly when they are applied fairly and accurately. - Sean McBride

agree - Gregory Lent

Neoconservatives and neoliberals are two arms of one lobby. Where neocons and neolibs agree: AIPAC+, anti-Muslim militancy+, Clash of Civilizations+, global plutocracy+, Global War on Terror+, Iran War+, Iraq War+, Joseph Lieberman+, police state culture+, privatization+, pro-Israel militancy+, torture+, warrantless wiretaps+, WINEP+, World War IV+. - Sean McBride

can you extend that to economics/taxes/employment/education? - Gregory Lent

Gregory -- neocons and neolibs are overwhelming focused on foreign policy issues as defined by AIPAC, and are interested in domestic policy issues primarily insofar as they impact or support their foreign policy agenda. Note that Joseph Lieberman, a leading neoliberal, has been preoccupied with maintaining his position of authority over Homeland Security. - Sean McBride

Marco: does Dreyfuss have his facts in order here? "When it comes to Iran, however, it's far too early to dismiss the hawks. To be sure, they are now plying their trade from outside the corridors of power, but they have more friends inside the Obama camp than most people realize. Several top advisers to Obama - including Tony Lake, UN Ambassador-designate Susan Rice, Tom Daschle, and Dennis Ross, along with leading Democratic hawks like Richard Holbrooke, close to Vice-President-elect Joe Biden or Secretary of State-designate Hillary Clinton - have made common cause with war-minded think-tank hawks at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), and other hardline institutes." - Sean McBride

How to spot empirical researchers: a high frequency of proper names in their analysis (especially persons and organizations). The fewer the proper names, the weaker the analysis, usually. - Sean McBride

Sean - you're missing what I am trying to say - it may very well be that your passion and aim is to track macro-level movements of thought and expose what you believe to be dangers inherent to particular groups like "neocons" - no problem if that is the case but if that is so then you need to adjust the end goal of your arguments so that they are consistent with your focus - look back at your comment that begins with "Does Dreyfuss have his facts in order here?" - nothing in that comment provides any... - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

...ground for substantive debate over the best course of action as it pertains to Iran. that thrust of that entire comment can be boiled down to this: Obama has appointed a bunch of people who are hawks on Iran to key positions. I could grant the validity of that statement and we wouldn't be one step closer to discussing the harms and benefits of any one approach over another. - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

Marco - we seem to be communicating right past one another. Quite a few people who supported Obama because he opposed the Iraq War are concerned that his administration has been taken over by the ringleaders of that war from the neoliberal and anti-progressive wing of the Democratic Party. Now they are targeting Iran for attack. Dreyfuss in his usually brilliant way pulled together the facts on this issue. Do you have comments on the specific substance here, or on my point at the head of the thread that a large number of neoconservatives are pleased with Obama's appointments? - Sean McBride

Marco - if you want to present the case that going to war against Iran would be a good idea, then by all means go ahead. :) Seriously. What's the best case? Will it stand up to informed scrutiny? (Sorry to be so slow in figuring out what you were saying.) - Sean McBride

Sean - I am not going to pretend to know exactly what should be done at this point - i have a number of thoughts, specific to the Dreyfuss article and other wise but to avoid driving people insane with the kind of back and forth necessary to discuss the myriad of issues related to the issue i am going to create a private room - again, my larger point here has been that this kind of categorization is good for academic analysis but bad for substantive discussions over current problems in need of solutions - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

hmmmmm....ok - Live4SoccerVacations

Enlightenment! LOL - Igor The Troll

Hmmm. I hope they're drastically different than the sex-ed classes i had in elementary school. Information, which is all i was given, isn't going to help much. For the education to stick, i think children need experience the consequences of pregnancy. How do you do that for a kindergartner? Maybe girls' sex-ed does. I've seen classes where they have the children care for a fake infant for a week (was that on a TV show?) but didn't for the boys sex-ed i took. The pure information never really stuck with me. - ·[▪_▪]·

Sovietic Union of America? - Roldano De Persio

everything becomes its opposite .. the land of the free and the home of the brave will become the land of the monitored and the home of the fearful ... it is how life works - Gregory Lent

Sean, we may disagree on many things, but I do see Martial Law in America! - Igor The Troll

Now I realise what this is for: to police the poor. America will soon resemble Rio - with areas for the ultra rich and huge sprawling favellas of poverty. Obama didn't make this decision, Bush and Co did. REMEMBER that. And there are more of these guys because BUSH IS DOING THIS. - V for Veselka

We cannot blame everything on Bush and Co. The Extreme Right does not work without Extreme Left. One gives Life to the other! - Igor The Troll

V - that's a plausible scenario. The ultra-wealthy may be panicking over the prospect of a financial collapse and societal breakdown which could lead to conditions like those which provoked the French and Russian Revolutions. They may intend to use the U.S. military as their private army to keep the angry masses beaten down and supine, while they hide behind their barricaded palaces. Under those conditions, what they would have most to fear is a revolt from within the military itself. - Sean McBride

Igor - it is generally true historically that extremists on polar opposites of the political spectrum often merge in their affection for totalitarian police states. They view them as instruments for the destruction of their political opponents. - Sean McBride

I doubt it can be avoided due to Geopolitics. The best we can do is contain collateral damage! When the ship is sinking, you can only save a few! The rats in desperation jump overboard. I hope you getting the analogy! - Igor The Troll

Considering that America is breeding ground (or having chapters of originally English or German counterparts) for extremist movements, some of whom claim mantle of animal rights groups (ALF,ARM, HRS,HSA), environmental preservation (ELF), far right and white suprematists (WAR, KKK), United American Freedom Foundation, McVeigh-s, etc. this increased need to stem domestic violence is not surprising. .. - Hayk

Hello Alright mate how you getting on with the raking.com, how much is the camera you wanna buy and what make?? ;) - Jason

what is the hell you talking about? - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

So who do we Troll next, or you tired of Trolling? LOL - Igor The Troll

all my twitter accounts were killed today. I am now @Another2Tweet - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

Noah, you are a man of many faces! LOLz - Igor The Troll

Loren just could not live with a twitter account called @PuppetDebaser - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ

I can think with many nicer names, but I will abstain for now! - Igor The Troll

Note to self: must visit UK soon. - Secret Ninja Steven

Steven++ - ♫ Rahsheen ™ ★

booking tickets - Josh Haley

DAMNNNNN YOUUUU EXCHANGE RATE! - Peter Ghosh CISSP

You put the grr in swinger, baby - Patricia

*notes* - Michael W. May

This article makes me want to say something clever using "saucy," "cheeky," and "randy." - RAPatton

I've used 2 of 3 of those words in the last 24 to 36 hrs... lol - Michael W. May

who commissions these studies!! - anna

I do. Mostly because I need to test my hypotheses.... - Mattie Kenny

I'm sure Dr.Petra will have something to say about this soon: http://www.drpetra.co.uk/blog/ - Bora Zivkovic

Note that Finland tops the list, however. I guess when night lasts three weeks, there's not much else to do. ;) - Chris Charabaruk

original paper can be found here: http://www.bradley.edu/academi... PI's web site: http://www.bradley.edu/academi... and if you are a man ISO woman, Latvia appears to be at least as good as Finland ;-) then Austria and New Zealand. - Karim

Ahh...what Mike Myers and Ian Fleming hath wrought... - Helen Sventitsky

Must be all that Tea drinking! ;-) - Igor The Troll

So nothing has changed since Shakespeare's day ;) so many of his plays alluded to this (though, at the time, it was more fashionable to say that Italy was the place you'd become a cuckold) - V for Veselka

Damn where are all these promiscuous women? - Toby Graham

sure wish it was canada ,,, closer to my house the better - johnpiercy