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"For past two years, I have been pointing towards a subtle but important shift that has started to take place - the globalization of the Internet. Thanks to a broadband boom in Europe, Asia and in new emerging economies such as Brazil and China, we are seeing the Internet traffic shift away from its historic US centricity. " - Joelle Nebbe
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"So the new folks, freshly funded, hire lots of people, young'uns like themselves who are doing it The New Way. They ship some products, and while the users are happy and excited about all the cool new things they can do with the new generation, now that they're freed of the limits of the previous one, they still want all the features they had come to expect in the old days. No problem! The new companies hire more people and they add all the features of the old generation. Feature wars follow, and the users get bored, and a new generation of techies comes along, takes a look at the current stack, finds it too daunting (rightly so) and decides to start over from scratch." - Joelle Nebbe via Bookmarklet
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“How does Google decide to show this search box?”
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guessing it's not through an official relationship w/ sfgate as their own search is powered by yahoo. - James Miao
It's actually slightly misleading as it just does a site:sfgate.com on Google. When I first saw it I thought that it would send you to their site using OpenSearch or something. Searching Google is probably better though since most sites don't have good search of their own. - Paul Buchheit
Many big sites have a search box like this one. http://skitch.com/zest/7w88/ro... - Larry Hudson
Judging by http://googleblog.blogspot.com... it's "when [Google] detect[s] a high probability that a user wants more refined search results within a specific site. Like the rest of [Google's] snippets, the sites that display the site search box are chosen algorithmically based on metrics that measure how useful the search box is to users." Not that that explains much of the how. - Scott from Canada
google is sure getting clutter and featureitis - i dont want all these gimmicks i just want a good efficient search. Not getting it anymore. - Joelle Nebbe
Probably there are more conditions: 1) the query is navigational (e.g.: [youtube]); 2) the query is popular; 3) there are many query refinements (e.g.: [youtube u2]) - Ionut
@Joelle, ah but we're starting to see the "Everything must be free" philosophy come back around and bite us all in the ass. Google needs to move more ads, they need you to stick around their page longer. Just wait until Google misses an earnings call... - mikepk
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Google Reader Gets an Overhaul
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Hate it. - Sweyn via twhirl
I'm so confused. That's what my GR has been looking like at least since last month. The last time I visited before that, was probably in July, so memory and all that, but I thought it always looked like this. Am I missing something? - Anika Malone
it's looked like the first image or the 2nd Anika? - Zee.
The first,because I didn't notice a second image. Now, I see the difference. It's not that bad. The blue on the sidebar, is ugly anyway. Reminds me of Yahoo! circa '94. - Anika Malone
@Anika @Zee you gotta see the second image (with the little arrow) -- that's the new one - Jorge Escobar
lol... - Zee.
Personally a big fan of the new look, much cleaner and professional - Matt Harwood
Two things that I don't like. One is the Windows-y look and feel of the subscriptions area. The other: I used to rely on the colour in order to differentiate between read and unread articles, but now that they've lightened the blue, it's harder for me to do that. Instead, I have to rely on the boldness of the article's title. I guess it will take some getting used to. - Paul Grav
I'm with paul on that one, I used the colored backgrounds a lot - the font highlight needs more focus, i think it gets tired going through 150 feeds etc. - Joelle Nebbe
iPhone version is now broken - Robert DeBord
I'm not happy with the new style. - Bob
Much better on the netbook. - Bec Rowe
Quite nice. Its easier to read stuff now - Keshav Khera
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"So they pull up behind a state trooper to ask for his help in getting to the hospital. Do they get his help? They do not. They get a ticket instead, for $100, and have to wait while the cop finishes the ticket he was already writing for someone else. And after this woman in labor and her husband have been made to cool their heels and have been slapped with a $100 dollar ticket -- after all that -- the trooper tops it off by asking Jennifer Davis, the woman in question, to prove she was pregnant." - Thomas Hawk via Bookmarklet
Sometimes you wonder if Harold and Kumar got it right - Shevonne Polastre
damn! when your wife is in labor, that ought to be the one time that you get a free pass on the traffic tickets. - Thomas Hawk
wtf? - Mona N.
What assholes! - Adriana
That's awful. There is an exception to every rule. - Michelle Martinez
That's insane. - David Bisset (sn)
@Thomas Hawk, I think it should be the one time you get a free pass to punch a cop in the mouth for being a jackass. - Ninjitsu Jason Huebel
Poopercop ought to be forced to grind his badge into dust with a cheese grater. - MiɳiMagɘ (AlwaysMiniMage)
Bad time to run into a black and white thinker. - Internet Strategist
Reading the original story, it seems to me that the cop was an ass, but these people were also rather stupid. She wanted to give birth 30 miles away, but when she went into labor they didn't set out to drive until her contractions were 5 minutes apart EVEN THOUGH IT WAS RUSH HOUR. They took their time arranging things, had they hurried then they would probably not have been in a panic on the highway. They are all irate now, but these people could have avoided all their problems by planning for things. - Joelle Nebbe
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Louis Gray posted an entry on louisgray.com
September 22 at 1:20 am - Link
So far, the commenters on my site _don't_ want Twitter and FriendFeed to go mainstream. Do you want to keep these technologies to yourself? - Louis Gray
I do, I'd say Twitter probably has the best shot right now. FF is still over the head of too many, they dont know (and dont want to know) about rss - sean percival
I really hope with the continuous feature additions and improvements to FriendFeed, it would soon have a universal appeal. There are so many Nay-sayers but I'm behind them 220%. :) As for Twitter - I don't really use it anyway, so it doesn't make a difference. Although I would LOL if they were to start charging monthly fees. ie: Threaded replies are only for premium accounts haha - Mona N.
This weekend I excitedly told an engineer-friend (hydrologist) about meeting the "inventor of RSS" last week. And he said "what's that?" -- Bastard. - Brian Hendrickson
I'm with friendfeed. And yes, it should go mainstream ASAP. Many just want to go to friendfeed because "nobody else but you are on there, I know". So that is the real problem. - Ryo
Twitter will go mainstream as people always want to be noticed. Friendfeed has a harder road because it is not about the user, it is about the information. If Friendfeed goes mainstream, it will be in a much different way, like a major research or news tool. - Rob Diana
FF will go mainstream as soon as people realize that it's *not* about the information, it's about the conversation. Twitter in its current form is a megaphone broadcasting system a la FB status updates, without a realistic and understandable method of replying. FF on the other hand not only let's you share information, but creates a method to *discuss* it. It's biggest obstacle for going mainstream is the UI. - Stupid Ninja (aka Tina)
Tina, I mostly agree about the conversation, but the conversation is typically based on the information at this point. I think the amount of information that passes through will be too much for most people until better filters are in place. I admit, I tend to be very pessimistic when it comes to growth and mainstream adoption of most tech. - Rob Diana
I am all for both apps hitting mainstream fast. Both serve excellent online communication needs. Twitter provides broadcasts and quick short replies; whereas FriendFeed provides the ability to share information and generate conversation / feedback regarding that info., which can blossom into an entire community around that topic. Twitter's challenge is stability, scalability and UI. FriendFeed's challenge is search, organization and UI. - Susan Beebe (Santa Claus)
Rob, I can only base statements on my experience of course, and they're going to be affected by who follows me. With that said, my most engaging conversations on FF have usually been around a topic tossed up as a status update/question, not a link to an external post. Also, unlike FB and TW which offer a one to one conversation model (excepting FB groups), FF automatically offers a one to many conversation model. - Stupid Ninja (aka Tina)
FriendFeed will go mainstream because it's a better medium than email for sharing links and news. I wrote in detail on this here: http://friendfeed.com/e/c2f76d... - Bruce Lewis via fftogo
couple quick comments: not everything needs to "go mainstream" to be a success, it is ok to fill a niche & some things are not products but rather features best integrated into or augmenting something else - i think friendfeed fits both these criteria (current and future) and i see that as a good thing personally... - mike "glemak" dunn
@Mike - I've been thinking this too lately. What is "a success"? Is Apple a "success". They only have about 5% of the market of computers, yet I think there is a lot more media buzz about Apple unveiling a revised macbook than there is about Dell or HP introducing a revised 1050e or whatever they call them. If you get 1% of Americans using your product, that is 3 million people. That is a lot. - Robert Felty
What is mainstream? 25% of US population? 10% of RSS/tech geeks? 1% of the world? 10% of people who would pay for this service? FF's current UX won't scale to a large population having lots of real conversations here. But it does serve a good niche (or two or three) right now. But what % of the world has/wants to have conversations like this? Mainstream would drive FF to be everything to everyone. Would we (as early adopters) still like it then? - David Lee
I have a radical idea... how about Twitter just finds a way to make some money. Mainstream is great... but completely misses the point... - Brian Roy
I am "mainstream", but I've been on FF for a year as of tomorrow. - Anne Bouey
Has anyone else noticed the push the major media give to some services and not others? How often did Television Programming (news, sitcoms, talk shows) talk about "googling" something; did you ever hear them talk about "yahooing" or "asking" anything? Then it was myspace, myspace, myspace followed by Facebook. Makes me wonder if those who own the media heavily invest and then push their investments. - Internet Strategist
Internet Strategist: media people just want to be cool. It's easy to understand why they push certain stuff. I do the same. I have no investments in anything. - Robert Scoble
Will Twitter and FriendFeed become mere commodities, fed to the masses by media moguls, to sell their product ? Because that is their job. I think Twitter is becoming more mainstream, more noticed and talked about - but not generally understood. How would it be affected by advertising and ten times the traffic? FF will take longer to catch on, even though it is better. Twitter plants seeds that can be grown in FriendFeed. - Chris Loft
frankly i don't think Joe the Plumber is really that interested in such a mass of content/dialogue, Facebook is about as much feed as an average person can handle. FF/Twitter are downright manic for them and they don't have/don't want the mental faculty to deal with the multiple perpetual conversations/topics - it creates more anxiety than fun and if it's not fun it's toast. Neither will get double digit % of the population using them - Bob
OTOH, is text messaging considered mainstream yet in the U.S.? (I realize we lag way behind the rest of the world in this.) I don't think the "mainstream" can handle more than one technological breakthrough at a time :) I still know people who are even just getting used to using a computer. - Victor Ganata
@Bob I think Twitter is so powerful that it can be used for many different purposes. Imagine a multi-dimensional Twitter with single or more refined services. For local councils, government, media companies, business services, geeks, gossip, etc. Each with their own customised Twitter serving their needs. This is where Twitter will produce an income stream; hiving itself off into customized services, without the noise. - Chris Loft
i dont think it is a "we dont want it to go mainsteam" it is more of a "the technology isnt quite ready for it to go mainsteam, we couldnt handle all our friends and family and colleagues nattering on our feeds, we can barely handle the information flow at the moment". We need better filtering, a better way to have several spheres in parallel on these services. - Joelle Nebbe
(translating my previous comment in pragmatic speech:) I am happy to have all that crowd happily segragated on facebook sending each other quizzes, i dont want them coming on my FF and twitter. I love them to bits but they are, well, embarrassing! I don't want "what peanut character are you" on my friendfeed, and it will come with the mainstream - Joelle Nebbe
hmmm, this bubbled up so I re-read it. man, that was a great old post - Sarah Perez
By old you mean 9 weeks, right Sarah? :-) - Louis Gray
Just remember what comes with being mainstream...tons of spammers. - April Russo
FriendFeed should go mainstream. Despite our selfish desire to want to keep it to ourselves, it is a smarter way for news and information to be disseminated that would benefit all once they are aware of it. - Thomas Hawk
No question, when a service hits critical mass, the conversation will change. Look at YouTube - people are always bemoaning the boorish, illiterate nature of the comments there. Will we stick around when Scoble or Louis pose an interesting question and half the comments are spam and profanity? - Laura Norvig
I don't want FF to go mainstream because then it will probably be blocked at work like FB, Myspace, etc... - Josh Begin
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Foster and Hadid to redesign Mecca
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"Norman Foster and Zaha Hadid have been lined up to take on one of the most high-profile projects on earth – the redevelopment of Mecca According to sources, the scheme for Islam's holiest city could create a huge new structure around the central Haram mosque that will eventually be capable of holding three million people, making it the 'highest occupancy' building in the world. The top-secret plans are being backed by King Abdullah ben Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia who has asked a hand-picked collection of starchitects to 'establish a new architectural vision' for the 356,800m2 mosque complex. The AJ believes that the project is likely to be phased, with phase one transforming the mosque from having an official capacity of 900,000 to 1.5 million. This will then go up to three million with the completion of several phases over the following five to 10 years. - Cee Bee via Bookmarklet
It is understood the proposals have been split into two 'tracks', with Foster + Partners earmarked to look at a range of alternatives for the northern expansion of the Haram mosque. Ten other practices are also believed to have been approached to draw up feasibility studies for the extension programme, including Atkins. Meanwhile Hadid has been given the prize task of coming up with ideas for the Haram mosque itself as well as 'revisiting the whole area of the central district'. Another six other 'world renown' architects have also been linked with the job. British-based engineers Adams Kara Taylor and Faber Maunsell are also in the frame for the multi-billion pound project. A source close to project told the AJ: 'This study is not meant to be a competition… the main objective of the design studies is to enrich our discourse on how we should address the future architecture of the Haram and its growth. 'These design exercises in addition to other investigations will be subject to an exhibition - Cee Bee
there's no job too big for Zaha! Her work is simply top notch. - vijay
maybe i am a cynic but no matter what is done there will be millions upset - Joelle Nebbe
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Sarah Perez posted a message
“*Like* if you like the new Google Reader better”
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I liked both because the new design is much sleeker and refined than the old one. - Mattie Kenny
I must say I am liking the new look. - (jeff)isageek
I can't decide - Pinksy
Clean, simple, the Google trademarks. (It's also looking a lot like Zoho) - Gary Burge
I think I prefer the new look, seems cleaner. - Robert Nelson
Needs a few Greasemonkey tweaks but overall it's better. - richrecruiter
looks cleaner but less usable to quickly scan things, due to the far lower contrast (no more blue highlight and menu background). Everything blends together on my screen. Will get used to it, i guess. The typography does not look harmonious, they ought to tweak font sizes and spacing a bit. - Joelle Nebbe
too much white! I would have loved to see it go in a different direction. - vijay
i got confused. i meant to like this one. looks cleaner for sure. i LOVE helvetireader script though. it kills - Cee Bee
+1 for Helvetireader! Lots of space and clean to the max. - vijay
I haven't seen the new gReader.. but you know what still looks gorgeous? Feedly. ;) - Phil Glockner
I don't like it yet. It feels sharp and poorly spaced. But I'll get used to it. - Glen Turpin
I like it. If you were new to reader this would be an easier interface to use, IMO. - Clay Newton
Me like, very sleek. - Kol Tregaskes
pretty much the only reason i use google reader instead of another web service is that it used to be fast (not anymore) and the social feed websites integrate with it. - Joelle Nebbe
It's too early to tell, Sarah. It does look -- *brighter* - Jorge Escobar
I like it, just hope a redesign means that they bring in themes. - Zach Chisholm
Any idea how to decollapse the navigation pane back again? I don't say a way to undo the evil that I did. - todd
I was expecting something drastic so I'm a little disappointed. Seems like more of the same with a little cleanup. Nothing offensive and certainly no major changes that make it bad. - Kenton
I'm inclined to say that the new Google Reader is much superior to the old GR. - Jamelle
Love the feature upgrades, style is a little stark for me. - Kamath ॐ
Disagree. I was so used to the previous version. But that's because I live there. - Louis Gray
I actually didn't like it when I signed in after getting home. Perhaps I was far too used to the previous look? It's practically always open in another tab. But I'm getting used to it, and it's not too bad.. - deepikaur
I like it, but I want to hide the "Friends shared items" from the sidebar. That's the one feature I don't use. - Larry Hudson
Like, but I also want to see which blogs you put in the B, C, and D-list, Sarah. :) - Matt Cutts
Looks sweet, but appears to show less articles on the screen at once. - Mike Reynolds
like the new google reader and i like sarah too - Zee.
Haven't seen it yet, as I use Feedly. - Grant Bierman
I like that I can now find the "Add Subscription" button without scouring the left-hand pane for 5 minutes - Craig Eddy
Still using Google Reader with http://helvetireader - Mark Bean
schweeet! ♥ it! - AJ Batac (ninJA)
@Mark - very cool link. Thanks! - Phil Glockner
no like. I'm a change resistant old man - Threepwood
It's seems much snappier! - Pras Sarkar
Works for me. An improvement. - Sean McBride
I think I can definitely get used to it. - Deborah Fitchett
Oh I remember Google Reader. That thing I gave up around 7 months ago or so when FriendFeed came on the scene. - Thomas Hawk
me like! :) - matthew hunt
Some things are better. Two things I don't like is that the font size in the feed panel on the left seems to have doubled, and sometimes keyboard shortcuts don't work. - Tanath
liek it, but it looks weird with Helvetireader now - and that was soooo nice... well, hope for a Helvetireader and Better GReader greasemonkey updates now. - Peter Efland
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Here's a deck I published with Shiv Singh on the potential of Facebook Connect. Let me know what you think of it. - Jesse Pickard
I saw it via factoryjoe; I was writing a short post about fb connect today and came up with the same conclusions (the risks). In particular: what if FB blocks or shuts down your account, what if you used connect to sign up with other services? bye bye everything? I dont really like a closed approach to this stuff: the identity is mine, not fb's. - Andre
I have a question. If I add facebook connect to my site, will facebook share informacion with me about users that use that longin or comments? - matiasjajaja
Imagine the potential if it would use open standards and you wouldn't have that lock-in ;-) Then it would be HUGE! Do you want to be part of the FB TOS when you use FB connect? do you want even FB to dictate how you display this button? - Christian Scholz
The real Facebook lock-in strategy is emerging. Lets see what MySpace does to counter this. - Marc Canter
only an open standard for profiles will work - totally open so your profile can live on any service you choose (even one you run yourself) and stay in sync with all services you use. That way you keep your key data in your control. A bit like FOAF, or what openid/open social could really become one day - Joelle Nebbe
here's the post I ended up writing about this! http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar... - Marshall Kirkpatrick
Alright, I'm moving FB Connect up a notch or two on my priority list. - Scott
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Marco (aureliusmaximus) posted a message
“Going to oversimplify a bit here but...”
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...its is driving me NUTS that we keep making it sound like the automakers are looking for a handout - its a LOAN L-O-A-N that they must pay back - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
full disclosure - the company i work for does work for one of the automakers and has done work for the auto manufacturers alliance in the past - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
So they borrow the money today and declare BK on Tuesday? No thanks... - Mark VandenBerg
Well since we have such connections to the banks.. why don't we just give them a loan through the banks??? - Chris W
Thank you. And as much as I don't like this, they've been given loans before and have repaid them before they were due. People need to educate themselves and not buy into the media stupidity. - Anika Malone
here's the deal - i'm not thrilled about the whole situation either and the free marketer inside of me says - let them go through the pain, we know it will suck but it will be better on the other side - the rest of me says - you can't implement pure theory which is why we are not a pure capitalistic society with a completely unfettered free market - we recognize we must make trade offs between our values and economic expediency - in this case I think the situation warrants action - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
I just wish, with all this bailout crap going on, people would stop talking bad about marxism/socialism/whatever. Admit that pure capitalism doesn't work, that way we all know where we stand and things will make a lot more sense. - ♫ Rahsheen ™ ★
agree @anika - and they need to STOP saying we are bailing them out on the backs of our kids for goodness freaking sake - its a LOAN - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
i totally agree @rasheen - I am and will likely always be a HUGE advocate for making sure that we always keep as close to the capitalistic side of the spectrum because i truly believe that it provides the best outcomes on balance - that said we have never been a purely capitalistic society because we have always realized that there are some things that do need to be done by the gov - even adam smith believed that - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
and it's an L-O-A-N that they may not be able to pay back. should we still make it? - tiffany
@tiffany personally I think we should because the potential harms of inaction far outweigh the potential harms of giving the loans. Do I think that not giving them the loans, letting them fall into bankruptcy, hundreds of thousands possibly millions of US workers lose their jobs EVENTUALLY provide the best economic outcome? Yes. Do i think its a worthwhile trade off? No. - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
Marco, people will still purchase a car whether or not GM/Ford/Chrysler exist. The other companies left will increase production due to an increase in demand. An increase in production involves increasing the workforce and increasing the amount of parts produced by vendors. Many of the jobs eliminated by one company will be offered by another. - Mark VandenBerg
If they loaned me $7 billion I could survive until 2012 and pay it back. Really. - Glen Campbell
The problem being of course is that it is not a loan -- not in any normal prudent sense of the word. Loans are provided to those with collateral -- it assumes that what you have as collateral is worth enough to cover the loan. Worth implies that someone will be being to pay that amount for the assets. Those conditions do no exist here. - Brian Sullivan
According to the Senate hearing today: The market capitalization of the Detroit 3 combined is around $6 Billion. They are asking for several multiples of that. Kinda like getting $1 Million for a house worth $200K. And people are okay with this? - Mark VandenBerg
@mark a very succinct explanation of the macro level shifts in production and employment that are likely to occur - if that's all there was to worry about I'd be all for letting them go without the loans but there are a ton of considerations at the micro level that concern me - over a period of many many years i have no doubt that things would happen just as you've said but its how many years and what kind of damage we cause during that time that leads me to support the loans - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
@brian how do you figure? i fully realize that the scale we are talking about is dramatically different but I can walk into my bank right now and get approved for a loan of several thousand dollar with nothing but the threat of harming my credit rating to serve as collateral - credit card are nothing more than mechanisms for providing access to rolling unsecured loans as well - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
@glenn done $7 billion it is - come by first thing monday and we'll draw up the paperwork - remember, you said by 2012 now - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
Marco -- I seriously doubt that -- you are saying with no asset as collateral you bank will loan you $200,000 plus? -- can anybody else here do that? No bank I have ever heard of will do that. - Brian Sullivan
Yes, it's a loan. But, and this a a big but, IT'S A BAD LOAN. It's a loan to companies not making it, and not showing any signs of getting to a place where they can make it. The nation would be better served handing out the (most recently) 34 Billion dollars we are talking about in the form of vouchers for "Big 3" produced vehicles to tax payers, so that they get an in flux of cash and a lot of us get new, US produced cars. At least we'd be getting SOMETHING for our billions. - Brian Norwood
These people just last week flew in, supposedly "hat in hand", to ask for money in their Gulfstreams. Clearly we are dealing with people who don't get it, and haven't got it for a while. - Brian Norwood
lmao no that's why i said thousands vs hundreds of thousands - but to my knowledge they haven't come to a decision on whether or not these will simply be unsecured loans or whether they will require something in return for them so it may be a moot point - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
Brian, that's not a bad idea, but it will still reduce competition, and reduce the pressure on American auto makers to increase quality and make the best product for the money. If they're practically guaranteed that $34B in revenue, which isn't going to foreign companies, they will have less incentive to try to compete with those foreign companies. - klecu
@mark according to this http://tinyurl.com/6zjcjd in august of this year GM and Ford alone were worth a combined $17 billion - still depressing given their sales revenues - with all of the recent problems they may very well be at a combined $6 billion - but again traditional lending practices have little bearing on the factors that make me reluctantly supportive - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
@brian - ok let me make sure I am understanding you -are you saying that the only reason (or even the dominant one) that US automakers have been forced to ask for these loans is because they have done nothing over the past several years to try and restructure themselves? - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
Well I said hundreds of thousands (and even that is probably at least a couple of orders of magnitude off) to get back to scale of what is being asked here. The few thousand loan is a easy -- the bank has already pre-cleared you as having the assets to support such a loan The big 3 have a capitalization value of 6-10 billion, they have liabilities of 60+ billion. Not sure what the breakup/bankruptcy value is -- but nowhere near enough to cover the liabilities. This "loan" will have a near zero effect. - Brian Sullivan
it is a handout if it is a loan at conditions no other business can get. - Joelle Nebbe
The only way out from under the liabilities is bankruptcy. It is not like the loan will allow them to instantly become competitive again. Even if they start producing "better" cars tomorrow it will be years before they gain the confidence of buyers back. They will be back in six months for more .. and so on and so on. - Brian Sullivan
was just giving you crap on the hundreds of thousands thing - look i don't disagree with anything you are saying - on paper it might be horrible but there are a myriad of other problems that aren't being taken into account. Would you agree that - on paper - every government regulation or involvement of any kind in the marketplace comes at the expense of the optimum economic benefit that can be derived on paper? - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
@brian i have to agree with the auto companies on this one - you think sales are down now? just wait until one of them files for bankruptcy. Would you buy a car from a company in bankruptcy? Knowing that at some point you may need to call in the warranty or replace a part specific to that car that was made by a company that is indicating they may cease to exist in the near future? - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
I am not totally sure what you are getting at -- I am not against government regulation. I am just saying that calling this handout a "loan" is a perversion meant to pull the wool over the public's eyes. - Brian Sullivan
I was responding to your last comment where you said that letting them lapse into bankruptcy would provide the best solution - was merely saying that our entire economic and governmental system is build on the search for policies that best balance the tension between our currently prevailing values and the optimal theoretical economic outcome - that's why its not solely about what makes the most sense economically - Marco (aureliusmaximus)
Okay, I had to rescue a friend from the freeway... @Marco The problem with most of the companies that are financially in trouble today is they focus only on the micro and not on the macro. In other words, lack of longterm planning, and not just automakers, but all of them. I would agree with the loans if, and it's a big if, the UAW agreed to the concessions they spoke of this morning and there was a wholesale dump of the current management. http://www.signonsandiego.com/... - Mark VandenBerg
@Mark: The problem is, there isn't the demand. It's not just the Big Three that are hurting in terms of auto sales - Toyota and others (see for example: http://www.time.com/time/world...). And if auto manufacturers go, they take parts suppliers with them, so everybody hurts. - Flitcraft
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I thought something looked dif-ernt. - Pete Barry
I'm not seeing the changes - how to? - James Hull
It looks...I don't know. I think I like it...very fresh! - Patrik Johansson
it has lost quite a bit of contrast though - the distinction between read and unread, and between the groups and individual feeds in the menu - too subtle. It looks lighter and airier but it has lost some usability in the tradeoff. - Joelle Nebbe
Way. Too. White. Now. I'm getting a headache looking at it, and that sucks, because I'm in it all the time. :( - abacab
Still think I'll keep http://helvetireader.com - Mark Bean
yeah, maybe a bit too white. I don't know if they want it to go with the slick Chrome? - Patrik Johansson
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Dog Lovers: Carmen posted a link
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fascinating! - Peter
so sweet... :)) - Anna Haro
i love watching my dog dream, she makes the cutest sounds too - Joelle Nebbe
ha ha. cute pup - Cee Bee
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Mark Trapp posted a link
It Could be Possible to Stop Hurricanes with Supersonic Jets
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From Gizmodo: "Hurricanes, as we've seen, can wreak serious havoc when they strike populated areas. We've never had control over them before, but one researcher thinks they could be broken up with F-4 fighter jets. In theory, sending in a pair of the jets to do loops around the eye of the hurricane while it's still out over the ocean, creating sonic booms, would break it up before it hits the shore." - Mark Trapp via Bookmarklet
Off we go into the wild blue yonder ... Nothing'll stop the U.S. Air Force! - RAPatton
Even if it doesn't stop the hurricane...that would be an AWESOME video - ♫ Rahsheen ™ ★
i get alarm bells "messing with things we dont understand" - probably end up with a bigger hurricane :S - Joelle Nebbe
I have a little bell with HOAX written on it and it's Christmas so let's ring it a bit: HOAX HOAX, HOAX :D sonic booms have nowhere near the power to control that huge swirl of warm and cold air - Thomas Chisler
Well, I don't know how you want to define a hoax, but the guy who came up with the idea did apply for a patent: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/w... Now of course, like most patent applications, this could be dismissed as having no merit. Edit: I'm terrible at reading patents, but I think it's actually been awarded. - Mark Trapp
Looked like a sex-ed graphic at first - Josh Haley
a patent? i wonder what kind of commercial applications he thinks he is protecting? - Joelle Nebbe
Wait, was this in Superman 1, 2 or 3? - Mark VandenBerg
...And Mark steals my joke. - tehKenny
Or ... on the cheap, stir the ocean with 10,000 spoons (Some claim all you need is a knife, but that would be a false sense of irony) - Micah Wittman
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Dog Lovers: Joelle Nebbe posted a link
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(black dogs are so hard to photograph) - Joelle Nebbe
Wish I could have played in the snow today. Never mind, had to go to work :( - David Walton
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Joelle Nebbe published photos on Flickr
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pippi (my dog) in the snow this lunchtime - Joelle Nebbe
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I think a lot of people might wonder what Google is doing with 20,000 employees that they weren't doing with 5,000 employees. - Chris White
Unsubscribe - Jeff McNeill via twhirl
sometimes when the VCs or stock market love you, it can make you slip away from sound business practice. I am someone who always advocates giving employees some space and enough fun (we all work better when we like our job), and for flat structures and openness. But some of the things at google seemed preposterous - very dotcom excess. Excess is frowned on at the moment. - Joelle Nebbe
My point is more along the lines of: it's better to keep a smaller group of star employees happy, than to hire with abandon and then have to cut the quality for everyone. - Chris White
Hmmm. I once mocked the idea of Google selling any of its properties. Now it seems plausible. And maybe sensible too. Who knows... - Nikos Anagnostou
("Like" in this case just means interesting, in case there's any doubt.) - Bruce Lewis via fftogo
Completely agree with you Chris.... However, at this point, I wonder what choice GOOG has. IMO, to get to the nirvana stage of having a smaller group of happy employees, GOOG will have to do lay-offs and I doubt they will do something like that. - Bindu Reddy
Bindu, yes. It's just too bad that they couldn't prevent the problem while they had the chance, but I've seen a lot of companies go crazy on hiring when times are good. - Chris White
While it's good to treat employees well, I don't think it's good when the perks / benefits get so cushy that employees are more focused on them than the product that's being made. As a case in point - look at the car companies. - Jason Kaneshiro
Jason, I'm not sure that's a fair criticism of Google. In my experience, most of the people were focused on their jobs and excited about them. The perks just made it more attractive and were used as advertising for hiring and partnering. The car companies are something completely different and I have no direct experience with them, but it does seem having a profitable company should be job #1. - Chris White
Jeff, were you trying to unsubscribe to someone (or something)? I'm pretty sure typing unsubscribe as a comment doesn't do that in FriendFeed. ;) - Chris White
Jeff is not subscribed to me right now, Chris. :-) I can take it. - Louis Gray
@Chris, I didn't mean that it's happened today, but if Google keeps going on with the perks you will get there. Yahoo! is a great example of a company where people lost focus on the product. Many companies during Web 1.0 overdid it with the perks, too. Google should cut back now to avoid turning into Yahoo! at the very least. - Jason Kaneshiro
Jason, hiring more people is not as cost-effective as hiring really good people, and treating them really well. You can control how many people you hire, and therefore you can control your costs. Perks are rarely a huge percentage of your overall costs. - Chris White
Sometimes what the star engineers want most is more engineers. :-) - Kevin Fox
The article is misleading. "He says the company is 'not going to give' an engineer 20 people to work with on certain experimental projects anymore." This has nothing to do with 20% projects. It just means that a project like Lively is not going to get an entire team working full-time on it. - Andrew Bonventre
Begs the question[s] what is innovation? what is net neutrality? how does google view invention & patents? when will users get to share in the upside of how data mining & tracking is used to drive google profit-centers? what is the value &/or definition of "privacy" & "fair use"? - Scott Moskowitz
+1 to Andrew. The WSJ clearly says "20 people" projects, which is completely different from 20% projects. This article confuses the two, in my opinion. - Matt Cutts
But isn't "hiring more people" the mistake Google has made? Otherwise, why are they supposedly cutting costs at present? Meanwhile, there are really passionate people to whom perks are completely secondary. Those that work for the love of an idea even without getting paid and for Jolt cola and a pizza. Those are the folks who work at startups. - Jason Kaneshiro
@Jason You appear to be making the assumption that the majority of existing Google employees hold perks above all else as their primary reason for working there. Startups offer a certain dynamic, and a larger company offers another. Both can be rich with or completely devoid of passion and perks, but the two are not mutually exclusive. - Andrew Bonventre
Sometimes what the star engineers want most is fewer engineers. Or so I hear. - Jim Norris
Want a small engineering team? We're hiring :) http://www.yelp.com/jobs#softw... - Michael
This is a terribly written article. - Frederick Akalin