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dannysullivan posted a message on Twitter

“survived day 1 without diet coke. thinking i'll go for day 2”

Tuesday at 10:06 am - Link

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suggest getting caffeine free diet coke and mixing it half and half with diet coke for a week. cold turkey does NOT work. - Jason Calacanis

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That sounds like a plan, especially if you allergic to headaches. - Judy Jones

Sounds like Jason speaks from experience. Cutting back sucks. - Louis Gray

You are a bigger man than me, I have a Diet Coke in my hand already at 10:00am. - Ambar Pansari

Think of all the aspartam you are getting, and you´ll be straight back on regular coke. - Thomas Bøhm

I kind of miss the days when breakfast was a diet coke and a cigarette in the car. Now it's just the diet coke. An improvement but still a ways to go - Riona MacNamara

never drink diet soda - Eric

I went cold turkey, worked for me. The trick for me is to drink plenty of liquid (water) and have a little sugar (like a candy) to satisfy my sweet tooth. I have a soda on the weekends. So far, i've been free for 4 months. - David Bisset (sn)

Joi Ito published a video on Vimeo

Scenes from Inbamura HD - Shot with Canon 5D Mark II

November 29 at 11:25 pm - Link

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wow.... that looks amazing - Jason Calacanis

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/me cries. - iMorpheus via twhirl

Awesome Video, Joi!!! Love the shots of you burning the leaves, hanging out in your backyard, and the persimmon at the end is gorgeous. Oh, and the momiji is beautiful too. :-) Great video. So what did you end up using for your workflow? - David Sifry

Anyone see my jaw around here? - scorpusmaximus

I shot 1080 on the 5DMII, imported directly to Final Cut Express, edited there, exported to 720 HD and uploaded to Vimeo - Joi Ito

Duncan Riley posted a link

Do Not Want

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Jay Rosen posted a message on Twitter

“I'm glad Dave Winer got to hear the Berkeley J-School crowd explain to him that listening too well to the users is unethical.”

November 27 at 9:07 pm - Link

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Crowdsourcing does not always provide the answers that you expect. I wonder what would be on the front page of the NY Times if popularity was the determining factor for what stories got published. Celebrity gossip? If so, would they be obliged to hire Perez Hilton as their managing editor? People also tend to not like depressing news like people dying in wars, world hunger, pollution, etc. Bury those stories? Or maybe Dave is thinking that a paper like the Times would or should not cater to the masses and only consider the opinions of smart users or users who share his values. - scott anderson

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Crowdsourcing? Who said anything about crowdsourcing? Who said newspapers should start editing the front page based on popularity? Where did the phrase "cater to the masses" come from? Where are you getting these things from? "If you want to keep their interest, you need to be interested in them." That was his main point. Does that say "edit the front page by market survey?" Jeez-a-roni. - Jay Rosen

Slippery slope. How do you get there from here? Quoting from Dave ... "it was largely considered unethical for a reporter or editor to know which sections of the paper were most read by users of the paper. If the reporter knew, the story goes, he or she might be influenced by peoples' interests in deciding what to write about." Dave indicated that this type of thinking was a bug. I disagree. - scott anderson

It's often commonly known information that some parts of the magazines are more often read than others (while that information is based on the small sample of tests). Anyways, in most newspapers most commonly read page is comics. ;) - Daniel Schildt

Where's the switch? The switch that causes people to hear Dave Winer saying, "listen to users" and yet what the brain receives is "abandon all judgment, all intelligence to whatever people tend to consume." Where is that switch? - Jay Rosen

BTW, here's the piece people are responding to. http://www.scripting.com/stori... - Dave Winer

Jay, it's the same switch that flipped when people told us at Salon a decade ago that we should never look at our traffic reports because it would corrupt our judgment as journalists and turn us into bottomfeeding scum. - Scott Rosenberg

Yes, the same switch; and I recall that battle pretty well. By the way, is "slippery slope" considered a thought? I mean do people still think of that as an argument: "once you start down, the only option is complete loss of balance until you hit the bottom?" To me that seems more like an escape from the necessity of having to think about something, but maybe shouting "slippery slope" at a problem still sounds like a thought to some folks. If so, it's kind of sad, no? - Jay Rosen

My most popular blog post is a throw-away picture of Bruce Lee beating up Chuck Norris. Knowing my stats, do I keep posting Lee/Norris stuff? No. But the next ten most-pop posts are about science, and I notice what style and format appeals to ppl, and I may slightly modify my writing style of posts about science - making them better because of this information. - Bora Zivkovic

I can process the readers' info and not go down the slippery slope. I am still in charge, but feedback - direct through comments and indirect from traffic stats - improves my writing. Newspapers can do the same. - Bora Zivkovic

Right. "Slippery slope" can mean "pack appropriate footwear, move with caution" but too often people use it to mean "that's scary, let's just sit tight." And there *are* sometimes piles of dazed bruised people at the bottom of the hill. - Scott Rosenberg

Maybe this is what it is. When people make that equation, "to listen is to cave," they are not making an observation about listening at all. They are making an observation about other people, what scott anderson called "the masses." The masses lack discipline, the masses want entertainment, the masses want Britney Spears-- not news. Most important: the masses are not me, the observer of other people and their decadent habits. And so to challenge the equation, listening=caving, is to take "the masses" away. - Jay Rosen

But "masses" are interested in stuff other than Britney Spears. Sometimes they don't know it because all the media serves them is Britney Spears: http://scienceblogs.com/clock/... - Bora Zivkovic

You never know what you'll learn if you listen, that's what's really stupid about arguing about whether you should listen or not. Maybe the people who want to say something to you might just make the difference between driving off the cliff and finding a new future. Maybe it's keeping *you* from having the great idea that cracks the nut. - Dave Winer

BTW, when did listening become "listening in the aggregate." If you know anything about me, you know that I don't think of users as couch potatoes, passive participants. In the 80s when I ran a software company, we used to design regcards so as to solicit original thoughts, not just box-clicking. When a new batch of regcards came in I grabbed them and studied them for interesting comments. When I had a question, I called them and asked. It's also good for business if people get that you care what they think - Dave Winer

BTW, you might have to listen to 100 users to get 1 good idea. In 1986, I had a meeting with Guy Kawasaki when he worked at Apple. I showed him an early version of one of our products, we had thrown the kitchen sink into it, every half-baked R&D idea, cause our company was failing and this was our last chance. One idea intrigued him. He said everyone at Apple was hand-designing foils to print on Laserwriters (they were new then). He took a piece of paper and drew a box around one of our pages, and... - Dave Winer

asked if we could do that. Of course we could, and we did, and we immediately sold 1K copies of the product for Apple people, but more importantly, they were so excited by it, they in turn sold many more thousands to their customers, and our company went from being in the brink of shutting down to gushing cash. All because (drum roll) we listened to a user. Ask Guy if you don't believe me, he's on Twitter. - Dave Winer

Once again, this leaves me wondering how journalism manages to be arrogant without being awesome. (The profession, not so much the people that practice it -- one suspects they've elevated a rough draft of their core values to a religion, and now can't escape from it.) - j1m

The thinking behind the slippery slope comment was that newspapers are a business that exist to make a profit. The last season of "The Wire" provides a good example of what I was referring to. Once you start down that road, these temporary bailouts become more seductive. - scott anderson

Also, I never indicated that users should not be listened to. I was referring to the actual quote related to ethics from Dave's article that you obfuscated in your twitter post. - scott anderson

Lastly, for the record I am not a journalist. I don't even claim to be a good writer. I am a user of the news attempting to communicate my concerns related to this topic to those that in my opinion appear to have a self serving agenda. - scott anderson

Who is it that you're saying has a self-serving agenda? I like the "in my opinion" part. In my opinion your mother wears army boots! Heh. - Dave Winer

@Dave: You and Jay. I believe that blogging in all its forms has a valuable role to play in our society. However, I also believe that MSM publications that maintain strict journalistic ethics, including accountability, also provide great value and that the two should not be mixed or try to emulate each other. - scott anderson

Well there you have it. You should make such accusations carefully and with evidence and back it up. What exactly is my supposed undisclosed (and unknown to me, btw) conflict of interest? (Can't wait to hear this.) - Dave Winer

@scott "The last season of "The Wire" provides a good example" of a talented auteur unfortunately working out old grievances in public, spinning an entirely unbelievable tale of willful ignorance of total disregard for the truth. Simon also managed to transplant a 1995 newspaper into the current day, an organization that apparently has never heard of the internet, either for reporting the news or checking it out before starting up the presses. - tim windsor

And I'm with Scott Rosenberg. Slippery slopes call for greater caution, but not total avoidance. - tim windsor

I've seen this careful to not listen approach in interviews, too. It seems like a lot of journalists only ask questions they already know the answer to. Of course, they want the expert being interviewed to give the answer, but they might as well be putting words in his/her mouth. - Gordon Vaughan

The line between listening and trusting your own judgment and expertise is a challenging one, no matter how you cut it. But I agree that the "slippery slope" argument is nonsense. If a journalist lacks the judgment to avoid the slide, h probably doesn't deserve the title. - Pete Forsyth

Also, @davewiner -- I've been trying to participate in this discussion on your blog, but my comments have not been making it past moderation. Can you take a look? - Pete Forsyth

It's unfortunate that the intent of my original question has gotten lost in this discussion. I blame myself for being too flippant and not tying the point I was attempting to make more directly to the exact issue I had a problem with. I'll try to rephrase the question again in a more precise manner. Dave was informed by the Berkeley J-School crowd that they believed it was unethical to use the data about which sections of a newspaper are most popular in decisions papers make about where to invest resources. - scott anderson

I responded to Jay's post because he had generalized and distorted the opinion of the "J-School crowd". In hindsight I should have called him out on this and left it at that. All of my comments have been directed to how this specific type of data is collected and used and this issue alone. In regards to the more general question of whether newspapers are listening to their users or not, they typically have letters to the editor sections. I'm assuming that these are read by the editors but I could be wrong. Dave's advice to newspapers has typically been to invite bloggers into newsrooms, which I see as a self-serving agenda. - scott anderson

That said, for those that believe it is beneficial to use the data about which sections of newspapers are more popular than the others, how should this data be compiled and applied in an ethical manner? Do you survey all the potential users of a paper like the NY Times (aka the masses, the aggregate, etc.) or do you isolate a sample group based on some criteria? What is that criteria? Once you have this data and know what type of content is popular and what is not, how do you leverage that data to benefit users and not end up becoming a tabloid that values circulation numbers above all else? - scott anderson

The problem with the letters to the editor is that they are designed to protect the existing power relations. See this dust-up about the inappropriateness of letters to the editor in science publications: http://scienceblogs.com/clock/... - Bora Zivkovic

There are much better ways to listen to the readership than letters to the editor. News outlets have many opportunities -- some more legitimate than others -- to shape the public discourse and influence public opinion. In reporting, in the structuring of the medium, in the archiving of information. Proactively seeking out feedback is important -- and is commonplace in other industries. Some approaches clearly have ethical implications, while others don't. - Pete Forsyth

@davewiner If your claim is simply "news outlets should listen to their users," it seems there isn't much for anyone to argue with. I think that's pretty uncontroversially true. However, it's seemed at several points that you are taking a stronger position than that. - Pete Forsyth

I don't equate listening to caving or that listening will result in bottom feeders but I do not discount the effects that come from the pressures related to being a profitable business, especially in tough economic times. A blog or a niche publication is a much different animal than a news corporation. Are there specific processes or firewalls that exist in the news industry that provide for publishing information that may not be popular but useful to society or only useful to a small segment of readers within the context of a for profit business? - scott anderson

I think knee-jerk or reactive answers come out of a specific context, and to suggest that news organizations are dumb or naive misses a more nuanced point. The kind of influence that advertising directors etc. sometimes try to exert over editors can be extreme, and so editors' developing a tin ear to that sort of thing can, in many cases, be a very good thing. It's important hear feedback, but it's also important to not waste one's time hearing repetitive feedback that you can't ethically act upon. - Pete Forsyth

When Obama said he was not against all wars, just "dumb wars" people seemed able to handle it. Their heads did not explode from having to make a distinction. So...There's smart listening and dumb listening. I think everyone can handle that too-- including everyone looking in on this thread. - Jay Rosen

Jay, I think we all agree that the distinction is important. The point I'm trying to make is that resistance to input is not always, or necessarily, a bad thing. That is a starting point for finding a solution though, not an end-point. Trusting journalists to have good judgment implies respecting their right to say "in my judgment, this particular feedback is garbage." - Pete Forsyth

As an aside, I have been blocked from commenting on Dave Winer's blog, for reasons that aren't clear to me. That's why I haven't been involved in the discussion over there -- not a lack of interest. - Pete Forsyth

Robert Scoble posted a message on Twitter

“@deakaz wants me on http://www.inviteshare.com so I can get invites to private betas. I can't keep up with THAT. :-)”

November 28 at 1:49 pm - Link

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Would be so much better if I could find my friends wanting an invite versus just random people. - David Recordon

Derek Springer posted a message on Twitter

“The bright side of having to work the day after Thanksgiving: no one around to distract = LOTS of work done.”

November 28 at 1:43 pm - Link

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Robert Scoble posted a message

“I have followed about 500 people on FriendFeed in past three weeks. It's far easier for me to follow you there than on Twitter.”

November 28 at 1:01 pm - Link

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If you want me to follow you, just leave me a message here. I am specifically looking for smart people and early adopters. - Robert Scoble

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http://friendfeed.com/pixelseb... #openweb #openid #oauth #dataportability et al - Sebastian Küpers

I coudn't agree more, although I can't compare with the number. - Alexandros Georgiadis

smart people? Hey, thanks for the follow, regardless! - rambn

Hi Robert, early adopter and entrepreneur here who likes to think he's smart :) - Terry Smith

Hope I can get on the "smart list" :) - Valeria

rambn: well, everyone is smart until they prove otherwise. That's why we have unfollow. :-) Also, everyone on FriendFeed is a defacto early adopter. I figure that since it took me 1.5 years to understand and use RSS that anyone who joins in the first 1.5-years of a service is a defacto early adopter. That means we have another five months to go. - Robert Scoble

Thanks for following me by the way, Robert. - Tyson Key

Hey Robert, It looks like I fit the criteria. Although, Im doubtful about the 'smart' since Im always broke! :) - Michael G. Galli

Tyson: thanks for bringing me good stuff! - Robert Scoble

hi Scoble, I'm an italian researcher about online cities http://friendfeed.com/turboy ;) - Simone Riccardi

Robert - I'm probably one step off pace and 10 points short IQ to qualify for the honor of being followed by you... - Mike Seidle

Michael: money != smart. Many great people were broke. - Robert Scoble

Giving ya a comment for a follow back. Thanks - Mardee Thompson

I need to level up to "smart" - Ernie Oporto

"I listen to bands that don't exist yet" - Kevin Morris

I was already following you on Twitter and Friendfeed. I'm trying to learn how to use Friendfeed. Twitter is not helping me make strong connections & alliances and I cannot succeed until I can make connections. I'm an early adopter and hope I'm smart in doing so. - Jannifer Stoddard

@Scobleizer Hmm, I think you're already subscribed to me - here's a few suggestions though (ccg, bmevans, netzoo, gebl, hifisamurai, ochua1) - Enrique Gutierrez via twhirl

Why did it take you 1.5 years to learn how to use RSS? - Amani

Jannifer: building strong connections is still difficult here, but is much easier here than on Twitter because you can have conversations around one topic, like we are here. - Robert Scoble

music + a user generated world that consumes media through non linear networks = a new form of non linear social music - Dizzy Banjo

I run www.Newte.ch and do marketing research. Just started using PeopleBrowsr and love it! - Lars Vedo

Thanks Robert, I keep telling myself that, appreciate the support :) I am the king of early adoption though and tech, so I have decided to throw my hat in the game and will have my own tech/gadget/review/ blog-site up for 2009. Its about time I did what I always wanted to do! - Michael G. Galli

Robert, why are you finding FF easier than Twitter? You're welcome to follow me - I'm an Internet industry person (CEO, Sonic.net, independent bay area ISP) - Dane Jasper

Did U tried TweetDeck? you could build groups in similar ways as here on FF. - Francois "Shoob" Lamotte

Amani: cause I'm really not that smart. Also, back when Dave Winer first showed it to me I wasn't feeling enough pain to push me into using it. Eventually the pain got worse and worse until I finally asked Dave about it again and started using it. - Robert Scoble

In my opinion, RSS is something that has no learning curve (it took me less than 2 minutes to figure out how to use them), although it's a Your Mileage May Vary thing... - Tyson Key

Friendfeed is better to have longer conversations. more space for one. - Sofia Gkiousou

Francois: yes, I like TweetDeck but I do a lot of my FriendFeeding on my iPhone. Dane: FriendFeed is better for a whole lot of reasons. I need to do a video on why. Threading is one reason. - Robert Scoble

Hi Robert. I'm a web content and seo strategist always on the hunt for cool web apps/design. (also wrote the Digital Needs section of Seagate.com.) Pick me, Pick me! - Doug Vanisky

Robert, are you the most prolific frienfeeder? If not, then I would be suprised ;-) - Julien

Hi Rob - I hope I meet the high standard of the other 500 people you've added. Cheers! - Eric

I work in the social media space but only within the home furnishings vertical. Thanks for the invite! - Leslie Carothers

follow me! I'm smart and early - it's 6:30 a.m.! Have a great time in Barcelona :) - Corinna Makris

No South Africans on the list, yet...pick me! (although I may be a bit random for you...haha). And @carlspies @palesa08 @xsyn @singe @robstokes @uberEllis - Roger Saner

Julien: nope, I'm not the most prolific. This service keeps track of stuff like that: http://www.ffholic.com/ - Robert Scoble

Does Smart mean a comment such as "Pick me, Pick Me"? - Yatin Vadhia

Hey, Robert. Good idea -- I wish more people I follow on Twitter were using FriendFeed. - Omar Gallaga

Robert Follow Me www.lessnau.com - John Lessnau

totally agree that FriendFeed makes it much easier to *really* follow more people. - Kevin

It would be great to go along and rethink things together - Vitaly Pimenov

Aloha Robert! Absorb your tweets like a sponge fish. New on FriendFeed, but I'm a quick study. Scour posts for inovation, always looking to push to the next level. Testing new formats to be revealved shortly. Tweets @AlohaArleen - Arleen Anderson

looking forward to see how many messages this post will get. anyway, greetings from mexico! - Enrique De La Torre

I would like if you follow me. Thanks! - Kyle Reddoch

Thanks to all the new people. Remember to put your Twitter feed into FriendFeed, along with your blog, your Flickr stream, your video streams, and more. That way I can get to know you by following you here. - Robert Scoble

I am following everyone here now except for those who have private feeds. - Robert Scoble

Anyone else on Profilactic too, out of interest? - Tyson Key

Legistraight.org, a recently launched public policy wiki. We are also compiling a comprehensive list of Financial Crisis resources. On Twitter (@legistraight), created this FriendFeed acct just for you Robert. http://legistraight.org - Legistraight.org

Hiya Robert. Count me in if you like! ;) - Erin McMahon

Arguably smart and not the absolutely last adopter. - That Software Guy

Ok, I'm waiting for a follow, @dfletcher on Twitter, went to Barcelona recently. Great destination. Enjoy! Is this your first trip to Spain? - Dave Fletcher

Dave: yeah, it's our first trip to Spain. - Robert Scoble

Dave: I see you are the CTO for state of Utah. You should meet Jesse Stay. He's here on FriendFeed too at http://friendfeed.com/jessesta... - Robert Scoble

Smarter than who? I'm young and as smart as me. - İbrahim Uzun

Second time lucky! - Jonathan Greensted

Hope you have a great time. Endless number of sights to see around Barcelona. Don't miss Sagrada Familia and Gaudi architecture. Nice beach south at Castelldefells and Sitges is a cool sidetrip. - Dave Fletcher

it's thanks to you Robert that I started to use FF and I think it's great idea - Ioana Monica Muntean

Thanks to all the new people I'm now following 4,500 people on FriendFeed. Wild. - Robert Scoble

Robert, your real time feed must be flying. can you still read it following that many people? - Mark Schulz

Hello Robert, I'm a 13-year-old designer, developer, and entrepreneur. I'm part of a new company, 9Miles Media. Thank you. ;) - Melik Yuksel

Hey Robert.. another Bay Area adopter here (@goyato) .. artist, writer, and digital dabbler. Been on FF for a little while, but haven't really started following too many. Thanks for the push. - Yato Yoshida

i'm spending a lot of time trying to great groups of folks... is it possible to make your groups public? - Jason Calacanis

@Melik Yuksel - Yet another upcoming Young 'Feeder? (I'm only 5 years older than you, to be honest, and also new to FriendFeed). I look forward to see where you take this crazy train! ;) - Tyson Key

Hi Robert, being an early adopter is what got me into doing a start-up in the first place ;-) I'm the product manager of Secondbrain.com - where I'm trying to to help people cope with all the content they put up on all the new services they join. - Johan Høgåsen-Hallesby

Jason: I haven't figured out a way for me to share my group with you, but you can click on http://www.friendfeed.com/scob... and see everyone I'm subscribed to. I manually added each of the 4,500. So I guess you'll have to do it the hard way too. - Robert Scoble

Hey Robert, I'm a veteran UX designer and entrepreneur (mostly for the financial industry) currently starting up a company called Thropic (@thropic) that specializes in t-shirt fundraising. Would love to dialog via FF. Cheers- Miguel - Miguel Rodriguez

me i am only ne:) - aykut karaalioglu

I'm not sure if I'm smart, but I'm somewhat of an early adopter. Yep. :) - Bryan Villarin

I'm still learning FF's advantages, but an early enough adopter to be here already, and smart enough to take you up on your offer. :) - James Dickey

Been on FF for a short time. One of the best things that happened to me for now! - Ms. B

@Tyson Key - I like to think that. ;) I'm also new to FriendFeed, quite frankly, I don't know which part of it to start from. :) - Melik Yuksel

twitter is not conducive to following people its good for now but not the recent past - Trevor Cook

Wow we're plenty here. Don't know if it's 'clever' to stand in the line but it's late over here in Athens, raining and not a bad idea to...take cover :) - Vicki Kolovou

Hello Robert, been on here for a while, but I find I still use Twitter more (same username). As Chief Architect for a networking software company, I keep up with new developments, and even create some of them :-) - John

early adopter - John Munro

Wow, the real-time feed is faster than the Gentoo IRC channel on FreeNode, and that is often one Hell of a high-traffic channel (I hated being in it, the first time I used IRC). - Tyson Key

Great to have met you Robert at Blogworld Expo. Check my 12sec friendfeed post for my flip video talk with you. - James Guske

12 Seconds with Scoble?!? - Josh Chandler

He probably got the entire New Testament in that 12 seconds! - jamesdkirk

hi robert, we're both following each other on twitter. would love to see you following on FF, too! thanks :D - henry

@Melik Yuksel - Take note, you'll probably find that FriendFeed consumes quite a lot of your time, once you get into the swing of things (I get the XMPP feed and struggle to sift through it). I'm still a moderate Twitterer though (I do about 10 posts a day roughly - sometimes more, sometimes none at all, though). - Tyson Key

More of a "learning the value of early adoption" kind of guy which makes me a johnny come lately of sorts... inspired by Twitter, intrigued by FF... and excited about my new account with PeopleBrowsr. - Matson Breakey

I could hope I would be added to the smart list. Yee-ha! - Christian Messer

Josh: I wouldn't know how to do it. :-) - Robert Scoble

Hey Robert - great to follow you on FB and twitter - connect on Friendfeed too? Saw your post on twitter on being an early adopter. As an entrepreneur and SBO following "techie stuff" is important to keep biz running - so I'm a wellness coach and naturopathic consultant who is also a geek. - Antonia Teixeira

++++++++++OK, I got everyone above here will need to add everyone else tonight, thanks! +++++++ - Robert Scoble

thought you already followed me here, but looks like not. - Katherine Druckman

Hey Robert, I'm always looking for new products to test and experiment with. Saw your post on Twitter. - Stefan Halley

Robert, the energy and time it takes to be friends with 150 people in the 'real' world is the limit for most humans. Dunbar number etc. FB automated the 'social graph' i.e the map of our real world relationships. But still demands increasing energy and time to maintain authentic relationships. Twitter is a real 'evolutionary' breakthrough because with a minimum of energy you can staying in 'grooming' range of thousands of people. Is there a Twitter number i.e. the maximum number of people you can follow? - Mac Taylor

I might be a smart people to follow but you never know. Seriously, I think it would be fun. :-) - Dragos Roua

Mac: depends on your goal. If it is to drink beer with everyone on your list, then Dunbar number probably comes into play, although I've probably tripled that and have met more than 10,000 people face-to-face (I have 8,000 business cards from just past eight years). But, if you just want to "snack" on a media stream like my real time feed, then you can follow 20,000 without a problem. On FriendFeed it is better, though. I can have "high flow" stream and "low flow" stream that I watch much closer. - Robert Scoble

In my "low flow" (Called a "list" here on FriendFeed) I've only put about 200 people. It's interesting to see the difference between the two. One is much more focused. The high flow is much more entertaining (more cool YouTube videos and LOLcat photos, etc). - Robert Scoble

I quite like using Twhirl though - but on the other hand I don't have a massive amount of followers! - Jim

I still don't get Friend Feed. Anyone got a good video tutorial? - MarkCarras

Oh why not... I'm doing my share of searching for news, so Scoble should hop on as well. ;) - Jorg Jansen

Only problem is there isn't a single apparent friendfeed app on iPhone - Scott

Follow me because I'm a legal community manager at Avvo - seadevi

Robert - I'm smart cause I can see your offer to follow me is one I can't refuse. I'm an early adopter in manner of following the uber-early adopters so they iron out the new gadget and techy kinks and suchlike. I was already following you btw on Twitter. Not sure I quite get FF yet though. - nicky jameson

Wow, look at this comment thread, awesome!! :) Lots of cool people, I am subscribing to here...thanks Robert! - Susan Beebe (Santa Claus)

Robert, I am somewhat of an early adopter and I hope it makes me smart. I ran a computer business for 11 years and now I am trying to help others learn the business of tech. It seems some of my associates don't think there is value in social networking. I hope that by connecting with respected names who are early adopters of social networks such as Friendfeed and Twitter they will understand that such services can be quite useful in marketing their businesses and supporting their customers. - Rick Savoia

I'm loving Twitter, need to explore FF a bit more. You never know where you will get inspiration from. - Dave Kresta

Hi Robert. Actually I'm a huge fan of yours and until now was a lurker, so thanks for the coaxing to come out and introduce myself. :-) I'm an early adopter and given your high praise of FriendFeed, consider myself smart enough to create an account today to join in the conversation. I tweet as well @belindasimcox and am looking forward to seeing the effect your following me has. PS. A big thanks to your generous tweet attitude - I get your tweets sent to my iPhone - they beat the newspaper any day - Belinda Simcox (Sim)

Hello - I am a MD/PhD working in the field of medical informatics and studying the use of social networks as a model for expanding our work at the New York State Department of Health in patient/clinician medical networks. Still trying to figure out the best use for short messaging. Twitter name is pathalemd. - Patricia Hale

I'm changing politics online at http://politics4all.com - Thomas Cook

Matt Cutts posted a message on Twitter

“@steverubel and @graywolf, here's what the Gmail team found out: http://bit.ly/ReXn”

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“Dave Winer says I FriendFeed too much and unfollowed. I wonder how do you know the "right" amount? Discuss here:”

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Doesn't bother me anymore, I just hide entries as soon as they seem uninteresting to me now. - Chris White

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http://www.friendfeed.com/scob... shows my output. Is it too much? How would you cut it back? - Robert Scoble

More than to little and less than too much? I think it's probably bound to how you use the service. If you follow everyone in the home list and try to watch EVERYTHING than fewer updates are probably better. If you accept you won't see everything and segregate things you care about seeing into lists so you can keep a closer eye on them then updating all the time is probably more acceptable - matthew john ernisse

Completely subjective... Dave might also think you talk too much at happy hour... other people not so much. You can't please everyone so F*** it and just be yourself. - Brian Roy

What does he mean you friendfeed too much? - Monique

Since I don't read all FriendFeed entries, there's no such thing as "too much" - unless one person is completely dominating my feed, which is unlikely since I'm following a few hundred people. - Ontario Emperor

There's a right amount? I guess it depends on how many people you're following. I am following close to 400 I think and your posts don't drown other people out... If I were only following you maybe it would seem like you posted "too much"... Everyone has a different tolerance, I think. - Lindsay Donaghe

There is no too much and there is no not enough. One man's noise is another woman's community. ;) Or something... - Erin Kotecki Vest

Think of your FF activity like a mini-skirt: keep it short enough to keep it interesting but long enough to cover the subject. (The same rule applies for blooging.) - Peter Simard

Robert, you certainly seem active but certainly nowhere near too much. I make plenty of good discoveries through your Likes. Don't stop. - Dion Hinchcliffe

Brian: that is my goal! :-) - Robert Scoble

The right amount is apparently the amount Dave can follow in the time he's allotted. - Ken Sheppardson

Dosent bother me either. You don't boycot the newspaper becuase its got too many pages to it. You buy it cause you know thers gonna be some useful pieces of insight - i rarely read every article in my Sunday Times, but I always will find a few really intersting articles in there. - Roberto Bonini

"Don't let the [cyber] door hit you on the way out" :{> - Andy Leonard

I am subscribed to you, Robert, and about 200 odd other people, and I HARDLY see your posts come up. - Monique

I think when you overcome the anxiety that you might be missing something important you use friendfeed better. At the end of the day if anyone things you Friedfeed too much why not put you in a list "for later" and peruse your entries at their leisure? Posting too much would be annoyind without the use of lists (your posts would end up hiding everything else) but if you use the tools provided you'll be ok. - Sofia Gkiousou

a stream is never big enough :) - george tziralis

Robert, I just looked at your feed. Doesn't look like an overburdensome amount to me. - Ontario Emperor

Frankly, Robert, you aren't doing enough. KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF US. :) - Secret Ninja Steven

FriendFeed too much? No such thing. Too much for Winer? Completely subjective. (Yes! I left out the silly puns!) - ♫ Rahsheen ™ ★

I found out that I would rather use FriendFeed as my capture, muse, and announce entry and let it echo to twitter rather than the other way around. Biggest reason is avoiding the SMS limit and having one RSS feed that captures all of my activity. I go to twitter from my phone, but I only accept directs there. - Dennis E. Hamilton via twhirl

Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list. - Robert Scoble

That is the point... I want to miss about 98% of it. I just want to engage in conversations with people I find interesting. We act like this is somehow different than any other conversation venue... - Brian Roy

Good 'ol Dave Winer really knows how to make friends and influence people. He blocked me on Twitter when he didn't like what I said in reply to him. Considering the source, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Keep it coming! - Scott Maentz

When did Friendfeed become a verb? :) - Jeannie Walters

I just had a small altercation with Dave as well -- maybe to quote Mona N "he had some bad oatmeal" ? - Brian Sullivan

And you have pretty erratic habits, RS. By that I mean you will be off doing the Scobleizer thing and then get a few moments and "slam" FF with your time and focus. I'm guessing if there was some sort of chart for activity on FF to time, you're activities would be pretty spikey, but not more or less than most other "active" folks. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong ;) - jamesdkirk

Dave just has it in for FF because his 140 character pearls of wisdom often don't stand up to the scrutiny that a conversation on FF surrounding the comment can sometimes provide. - Aaron Krug

@Scott Maentz now, now, then, then - usually the truth lies somewhere in between ;-) This is part of the larger conversation around walled/open, access and influence vs. (what's the opposite of that?), etc. @Bria Roy reflects what we probably all do - "it does not matter until it becomes important" is the new "I'll know it when I see it" :D - Valeria Maltoni

You are only allowed 12.370 posts per day according to posting.limits.on.friendfeed.makes.no.sense.com... :-) - Seagate

Just taken a look at your feed and frankly don't think it's enough. You having an off day? - Nicola Quinn

Scoble is trolling for followers.... - Wilma Stoneflint

Nicola: I just got up! Give me a few more minutes! :-) Jamesdkirk: I'm spiky because I'm not always online. I do sleep and yesterday I was off doing interviews. - Robert Scoble

Yes, I agree... it's a bit too much. When I'm on FriendFeed, it's several pages of Scoble before I see anything else. - Mason Blake

@Scobleizer - "Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list."... exactly. Being unfollowed by someone who provides valuable content to a content powered site, regardless of quantity, is done simply by lack of understanding of the application. - Enrique Gutierrez

Wilma: no, I don't need those. I do want to have conversations with smart people and Dave's one of the people I love having conversations with. - Robert Scoble

the comments you are getting says it all, there can't be too much FFding!! - Devakishor

Are we really talking about this? Who gives a crap what Winer thinks? F him. That is all. Let's stop talking about noise and move on. - TeenageMutantNinjaWilson

scoble is a noise maker and evangelist by profession. njoy or leave him alone :) - george tziralis

The best thing about these tools is that they adapt to whatever each user wants - I'm not saying anything groundbreaking by saying that its up to each user to decide for themselves what role they want something like FriendFeed to play in their lives. I don't know why he didn't just file you into your own list and yank you out of his main stream - Marco (aureliusmaximus)

I agree with Enrique, FriendFeeds lists allow you to create interesting subsets of your full follow cloud. Now if you could only add track terms to lists-- you might have something. - Cliff Gerrish

Mason: funny, when I start FriendFeed I don't see any Scoble posts. :-) - Robert Scoble

There is no such thing as too much. Grouping our connections is necessary to keep data and connections meaningful, actionable and manageable. I think folks are struggling with that piece, and will continue to until we find better aggregation techs/methods. FriendFeed is a step in the right direction... but hardly a silver bullet. - Paul Daigle

Marco: that's the right way to handle someone who goes noisy. Just put them in their own little folder, er, list, and remove them from your main feed. Of course I do the opposite. I keep all the noisy people in my main feed and put all the high signal, low-noise people on my tech list. - Robert Scoble

It is completely down to the individual what they think is too much, I wouldn't worry too much if someone unfollows you because of it. - Richard

dave has personal issue of some kind, unless he can clarify his point by explaining in detail, it holds no substance. - imran

Richard: am I worried? No. I just used it to start a conversation. 45 comments in 18 minutes. Wow. - Robert Scoble

you cannot friendfeed too much. We don't have good filters to find what the 5% of your updates most relevant to me. - Phil Wolff via Alert Thingy

i just check and see whether there is any value being added to what i already know or want to know .. if none or insignificant, i unfollow as well..as a rule, i dont follow those recommends most of whom have little more than personal/insider twitts...i dont really care how famous/savvy/rich FFer is. i only care about his/her contents..that simple. - Hayk

Phil: yeah, it's hard to know what in FriendFeed really will be interesting to us individually but I've found that a high percentage of the time my interests actually align with those of the crowd. Well, except when it comes to manboobs. I hid all those, even though they all started a ton of conversation and got lots of likes. - Robert Scoble

@Scobleizer - also easier to follow international stuff here vs. Twitter where it gets drowned. There's multi sensory info - images, comments, likes and you can see "communities of conversation" more easily (more 360). - Valeria Maltoni

I like your activity on FriendFeed much more than Twitter. Twitter is a 10-20 time a day MAX activity... FF is a 20-200x a day system. I think that is how it will hash out. - Jason Calacanis

I'd rather have too much information than too little. I'm sure you would still disseminate the same amount of info even if you were the last person on this planet. - James Hoang

I quite like it. I don't follow a huge amount of people so there is quite a lot of quiet time for me when you're busy doing other things. Gives me stuff to go back and look at in the mornings too as youre on a different time shift. - Simon Wicks

Oh, he's just crabby. You are quite clear both on FF and Twitter that you're a very active user, so followers should caveat emptor and learn to deal. - Sheila Scarborough

In regards to how do you can personally gauge what is 'too much' - this is something Ive been working on via http://TweepleTwak.com. Having visibility of spikes in "unfollows" has been helpful in identifying the causes within tweets. Still there is no perfect science :-) - Josh

It would also be different if the content you post was uninteresting... Like Simon, I don't follow too many, so my feed is pretty under control. - Victoria/Plautia

Josh: I get lots of unfollows, but they usually are included with 10x as many follows. So, maybe pissing off some of your audience some of the time is a good thing? - Robert Scoble

Following for me is more about volume and value. If there are too many low value posts, I'm going to unfollow. At the moment, you seem to have hit the right balance for me. True, lots of posts, but most are interesting. - rogersdc (Chris)

I tend to ignore Twitter for the same reasons. Too much noise and hard to get the context. Friendfeed is much better and usually the content is more valuable. Your content onFriendfeed is actually relatively informative. Keep posting. - Jeremy Chone

There is no perfect amount and you'll never please everyone. I'm typically interested in what you post on FriendFeed and Twitter - I will say that I did prefer them to be separate. Since I follow you on both services - I don't necessarily want to see your FriendFeed items on Twitter. - Kasey

Isn't Dave the one who always says "If you don't like what I say, just unfollow, but don't slam the door behind you?" hmmm - Bill Kellogg

with all the filters that Friendfeed has, there is really no need to unfollow anybody - Nikos Anagnostou

Bill: Dave didn't say anything. I noticed he unfollowed and I asked him why. - Robert Scoble

There is no right or wrong amount as everyone has different tolerance levels! - Joe Dawson (beta)

I'd like to see the top ff users make a list of the top tricks to use with ff to get it working the way you see best. - Pete Barry

That's not an accurate quote -- I would never say that, and people, imho have a right to sign off or on at will. Joe Dawson gets it exactly right, you should keep doing what you want and don't worry about people who unfollow. I don't like it when people send a nastygram when they unfollow, and I also don't like to be called out when I unfollow. - Dave Winer

Re Bill Kellogg, I hope he checks back here. People really pay attention to this stuff. You gotta be more careful with the quotes.(Just read the whole thread, what an embarassment.) - Dave Winer

Dave, here's the quote: http://friendfeed.com/e/326288... "I stopped following you for the same reason a lot of people stop following me -- you're so prolific! You're half the traffic I'd see on Twitter or FF. I was OD'ing on Scoble! I've already been Scobleized. It's time for other people to get the Treatment." -