hmm... why do we never hear of destructionism? - Gregory Lent
cuz, @Gregory, we're still writing it - ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
They haven't started smashing atoms yet. If things start to slide off your desk/walls in the same manner as the machine in Contact, you'll know that they've created their first black hole :) - Jonathan Beckett
I'd like a small black hole in the backyard maybe. Would sure be easier than trying to constantly clean up after the kids. - Cyndy
I read the TOC's and didn't download this morning - Sally Church
Suggest you guys read Matt Cutts' piece yesterday before uninstalling http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/... can find similar stuff with almost any browser out there, in most cases worse - Charlie Anzman
I don't see how this addresses the TOC/EULA concerns. I can see what they were aiming for with the EULA language but I don't play around with my copyrights. Ever. - Kunoichi Lindsey-san
this is the kind of EULA that sounds kinda bad but would almost never result in any of the horrors you are thinking of. Don't get me wrong, they should remove it... but I can't imagine what you really think will happen in the real world? - Stefan Hayden
I agree Stefan . . . in 99.999999999% of cases nothing will happen with it. But . . . - Kunoichi Lindsey-san
I suspect this EULA term came about due to Google Picasa/Blogger/Pages/Sites, where Google really does require perpetual rotalty-free rights. - Denton Gentry
Wow, you give up rights to your pictures with Picasa? And content with Blogger? Glad I don't use either... - Lindsay Donaghe
Always assume that you're giving away the rights to anything you store on a Google Service, whether shared or not. It has ever been thus. This is just a step further on. I don't imagine Google is being evil, probably just protecting itself against frivolous yet damaging lawsuits. - Slippy Lane
Lindsay: I suspect that the Chrome EULA problem has nothing to do with Google going evil and everything to with cut-and-pasting from the Picasa / Blogger / Sites etc EULAs. - Tudor Bosman
@lindsay when @denton said "requires" I think he means it in a technical sense. They require the right to "redistribute" or "publish" royalty free because they need the right to render your content within a web page multiple times for as long as your content exists on their servers. It's a technicality that should probably be reworded, but no, Google is not trying to steal people's copyrights. I'm guessing as @denton said that this language is in Chrome to prepare for eventual picasa/blogger/etc integration - Jason B.
I'll agree to their intent but what you agree to as worded is what you are bound to. Rarely does intent work in your favor. - Kunoichi Lindsey-san
and: (IANAL, but) you don't give up the rights to your pictures; you grant Google a license to display your pictures (according to the TOS of the particular service). This is to prevent someone from posting a picture on Picasa, and then trying to sue Google for displaying their picture to the whole wide world without paying them royalties (EDIT: what Jason B said). - Tudor Bosman
The deal is, Chrome is not a "service" it's an application... I don't upload anything TO Chrome... I use it to upload content to other services... but this seems to imply that using it as the transport mechanism also gives them rights to the content that I transport with it. - Lindsay Donaghe
read the fine print again its not just display rights as in other Google TOS's - Fred Grott
I think you all need to actually read the TOS. I quote: "11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." All they essentially want is the right to *republish* them. How else will it work? I don't see anything particularly troubling there. - Vinay | विनय
The right to republish your work is a core right of copyright laws. If they take the right to republish my work without monetary compensation then they publish it anywhere, make money off of it and you get bent over and screwed royally - Kunoichi Lindsey-san
@lindsay The whole point of Chrome is for google to start blurring the line between service and application. Before long you're going to start seeing tighter and tighter integration of the browser with the service (especially when the browser and service are made by the same company). This TOS uproar is probably 80% prepping for future integrations, 10% bad cut/paste job from existing EULAs and 10% poorly researched articles being posted to The Register - Jason B.
Nonetheless Jason . . . I don't want to make a mistake based on Google's mistake. They cover their ass . . . I'm going to cover mine. - Kunoichi Lindsey-san
If I understand correctly, Chrome's EULA is identical to Google Terms of Service ( http://www.google.com/accounts... ), which is a general document applicable to all Google services and products. The section quoted in the article is titled "Content license from you" and you'll find it in the TOS of almost any service that accepts user-generated content. Since Chrome is a browser and not a web service, I think that section is not applicable. If you are worried about licensing or if you want to get the latest build of Google Chrome, install Chromium, the open source project used to create Google Chrome. - Ionut
Lindsey, Google is asking for a "non-exclusive license to reproduce", which means that you do not lose the rights. - Vinay | विनय
also worry about hidden or obscure "features" that make it easier for Google to track queries and browsing behavior to "improve" the browsing experience - Wilma Stoneflint
Vinay, I don't want Google to have any rights to republish something I created simply because I decided to use their browser. - Kunoichi Lindsey-san
@Jason this all TOS stuff is all about one thing -- it is not enough to use dataceners data to make money for Google shareholders, so they sprawl further down the customer... this is LITERALLY as if bank would find counting your money on your account at their bank as NOT ENOUGH to do business and draws your to count money in YOUR REAL POCKETS - silpol
That's great! This means I might actually be able to remember all of hte lyrics for once. - ChangeForge | Ken Stewart
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That song freaked me out as a kid because of the lyric about getting under one's skin. Kids tend to take things literally so... - Akiva Moskovitz
This song has been in my head allll day. - Jordan Hofker
Na na na na na na na na na na hey Jude... - TheBuzzMachine
We sing this to our Cockatoo. Na na na na na na na Hey Bird. "Hey bird." is one of the things she can say very clearly, and she thoroughly enjoys anyone talking about her... - Tad, TV's Patrick Duffy
"While swimmers try to cut down on resistance by shaving their body hair, squeezing into form-fitting suits and wearing multiple caps, track athletes are decked out with so many accoutrements it looks like they're going to the prom." - Atul Arora
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umm, Danny, I'm barely three slides into it and you've got a nasty librarian stereotype graphic ... I'm resharing this over in the Librariology room so watch out! - Laura Norvig
Laura, I used that on purpose and joked that it would upset librarians if they thought I was serious about it and made a point of saying those stereotypes are indeed just that. That's the disadvantage of posting slides without an actual talk with it. - dannysullivan
i hear ya - but you know we librarians have no sense of humor .... j/k - Laura Norvig
i mean, the Cars world was still designed for people... but where were the people!? it was totally post-apocalyptic! - Ňicķ
If you think about it, Cars is freaky, but I think their target audience of kids don't think about it this critically. - Alan Le
It wasn't freaky...It was totally rad. Cars...as...people! Awesome. And Michael Schumacher's cameo? Priceless. I'd say that people who didn't get that movie, don't like cars. Lastly, putting the Car Talk guys in the movie? Fuggedaboutit! - Alex Scoble CISSP
I didn't think of the cars as machine/flesh hybrids, but as sentient robots. - possible248
"One of the clumsy arguments that the McCain camp tried to make today in hopes of slowing down the media freight train over not knowing how many homes he and his wife, Cindy, own was that Barack Obama (D) is also a rich guy who lives in a mansion himself, just like McCain. I believe the term they used was "a frickin' mansion."" - Mona N.
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I wouldn't be all that shocked. Obama has shown himself to be really good at hiding value - the Rezco thing alone shows that. Shady real estate deals are good for hiding money. What I am kinda of wondering is why I should vote for the "poor" guy (who made more than 4 million last year) when I disagree with what little he has shown of his policies. Am I just supposed to hate the rich guy? - Soulhuntre
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Soulhuntre, vote for whomever's policies you agree with :) - Mona N.
Dammit! Why must you always make sense and be reasonable! No wonder your so popular :) - Soulhuntre
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Who's going to start a mock election here at FriendFeed? :) - AJ Batac (ninJA)
as a dumb canadian ,, isnt mcCains wife got all the cash ? - johnpiercy
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It dont matter to me how rich Either McCain or Obama are, My personal Net worth is a half million but i wish it was 10 times that,when i vote for someone i dont base it on them,i base it on ME.........ok,here is MY standards,now which one comes the closest to it,thats how i vote....C.S. - Edward D Webb
@hayk.... naah, let's vote for the one who's gonna give ME the most money! (i can be bought, we're just haggling over price...) - dave mcclure
And that's definitely NOT the one who starts with "Mc" and ends in "Cain" - Mona N.
Those numbers are based on disclosures from 2004. I imagine Obama's net worth has risen *substantially* in the last four years. Just imagine how many of his books have sold in the last couple years (over $4M in 2007). But the point is that the increase in his net worth has not diminished his suitability for the office of President just like how McCain's being rich as fuck doesn't mean he'd be a bad President. There are many other criteria to cite without resorting to what are essentially ad hominem attacks. - Chester
@Jody: Not that it changes the fact that he and his wife are fricken' rich, but that home in Architectural Digest is not their residence any more. They sold it a few years ago and it has, in fact, been put back on the market by that buyer. Supposedly, the McCain's primary residence is now a luxury condo. But the point is that all of this is a stupid line of discourse. Neither man's net worth determines their policy views. I expect Obama to stay above this type of jaded political attack. - Chester
"Unfortunately, we're not cool enough to run on your OS yet. We really wish we had a version of Photosynth that worked cross platform, but for now it only runs on Windows." - l0ckergn0me
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@mattmusgrave, and then combine with 3-d printing and free-standing holograms ... get it to scale, viola, a new world. just like the old world - Gregory Lent
I'm liking this for the comment thread, too. 8^D - Chieze Okoye
Interesting that Walt likes Photosynth too. I called it Demo of the Year back in 2006. Wait until Walt sees the WorldWide Telescope. Or that newfangled Touch device. ;-) - Robert Scoble
Interesting -- not much really seems changed from what you talked about in 2006 (other than the packaging for use). I find the whole experience off putting though. The fact that it is an ActiveX component is not encouraging. The final experience is just not fun. I was hoping for something more like a traditional 360/180 panorama view. Haven't looked at it close enough to see if it will defish and stitch fisheye lens based photos (I use 4 portraits at 90 degrees from a parallax correcting jig to create panoramas) - Brian Sullivan
That's not the point, though. It's job isn't to create a panorama for you, WLPG does that. Photosynth recreates the environment in 3D for you. Best results come from more than four photos. - Jordan Hofker
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"recreates the environment in 3D for you"? -- that is exactly what a 360/180 panorama does -- but much better. The reason for limiting the number of pictures is to allow a moment in time capture (or as much as possible). 4 pictures using a 180 fisheye lens produces very good results btw. Compare Robert's sample to http://radio.weblogs.com/01270... or http://radio.weblogs.com/01270... - Brian Sullivan
I was (am?) hoping that this product could create the same kind of result but without the parallax correction jig requirement. - Brian Sullivan
Brian: this is different than a straight panorama. I could have taken photos through my whole house and you could have walked from room to room. You also could have zoomed into details that I took more images of (I could have taken tons of closeups of art on the wall, for instance, and you would have been able to zoom in. - Robert Scoble
I realize it is different - that it can do more but it should do the basic retrograde case as well and should do it better than other tools in my opinion -- my point is that it seems that it does not. - Brian Sullivan
It seems also that they have less capacity planning skills than Twitter - Brian Sullivan
A 360 panorama is NOT recreating a environment for you, at all. Rough as it is, what photosynth is doing is massively more interesting and impressive. - Soulhuntre
So, can anyone else actually get to the site at the moment? The demo's look very good, would love to play with this a little more. - Mark Aitken
servers down, etc.. the pipes are bigger than the basins these days just about everywhere - Gregory Lent
Nope. You are right. Zeitgeist is almost unlistenable for that reason. Wish they would remaster it. - XDpaul
I'm a huge pumpkins fan and the lossless version I ripped sounds great to me. Heavy, but great. Also check out American gothic, especially sunkissed. - Tom Wentworth
I am so JEALOUS. One of the best live shows I've ever seen was Neil Young with Pearl Jam in Portland back in early 90s. I watched Neil break every single one of his guitar strings (and keep playing) during encore with Eddie! Can't wait to see the footage Robert! - Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian: nope, no photos. Just video for this trip. They asked us to not take video or photos of the outside, so the photographic opportunities weren't all that great. By the way he uses Seagate drives. :-) - Robert Scoble
Neil Young is one of my musical heros - such a diverse range of music over the years, and consistent as well - martin english
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LOL He uses Seagate drives. Ha! Robert you're such a geek! :) - Dawn
Dawn: Brian Ziel works for Seagate, I figured he'd appreciate that. :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert, I still have a seagate ST225- 10MB-- zero MTBF and never crashed ! Kept it because I kep tranfering it from my PC/XT then PC/AT and so on.. :)- - Peter Dawson
♫ Hey hey, my my / Seagate drives will never die... / My my, hey hey / Seagate drives are here to DATA ERROR READING DRIVE C: - Karim
Brian I'm also kind of curious about how he kept playing the guitar with all the strings broken. I'm guessing it involved percussion. - Karim
Karim: actually part of the interview was talking about what's happening to their data. He showed me a tape where they lost a bunch of bits, but figured out a way to get some of it back. He told me about what they need to do to get data off of their old tapes. it ain't fun. - Robert Scoble
Robert, funny, Peter Holsapple (a.k.a. the Fifth Member of R.E.M.) recently talked about the old world of tapes vs. the new world of hard drives: "After having my ProTools session crash when I was mixing the second demo, I learned how to get my last session back. That saved me re-singing the vocals, although I did waste some hours worrying before I was able to retrieve them. It’s not like the old analog world where 'erase' means 'gone forever.'" (http://measureformeasure.blogs...) - Karim
"Zakaria worries that one day historians will write about how the United States globalized the world, but forgot to globalize itself." - Dave Winer
it could be a "may" if it were written a few years ago... otherwise.... - Jeremy Toeman
It's not such a terrible thing. It's a world economy. What we had going here couldn't last forever. Now we just have to stop doing things that disadvantage us, and we'll do okay. We need to get to work on our education system, health care, infrastructure, and stop borrowing all that money for things that don't create value -- like the war in Iraq. - Dave Winer
You know if McCain started talking like that he might win the election. The thing that's scary is that he doesn't seem to understand where we fit in. Our army isn't going to convince a lot of our adversaries and all of his bluster is going in the wrong direction. - Dave Winer
And still, people are overlooking South America. China and Russia are slowly building alliances with other countries, bypassing the United States... - Mona N.
BTW, I think it's very cool that the Chinese are opening plants in the US. I'd like to dig into that and find out why it was economic for them to do that. Maybe they just did it for PR purposes. It's hard to imagine that our labor costs less than theirs. - Dave Winer
For those who follow the recent goings-on in the Anglican Communion, it's intersting to note that much of the debate is North-South centered, with some concluding that the North is moving toward a phase of Laodicean irrelevance. - Ontario Emperor
In *only* 30 yrs. China has been steadily moving from the centralized planning of socialism to free markets and capitalism....Meanwhile the U.S. has been moving in the opposite direction...U.S. citizens would be wise to go back to their roots, because the China horse has left the barn. - Chris Rossini
thank god .... but zakaria is way too pc for me, and consequently cannot get below the surface and become truly leading edge in his understanding. - Gregory Lent
There is obviously a lot for the US to be concerned about and I don't think it's necessary for the US to be the sole superpower. It's probably better for us if we're not bc obviously we aren't very good at it. That said, I have some real concerns about what we're seeing from China and what's really going on. If I had a lot of money, I would probably spent more investing in India than China. Not a slam against the people of China, of course. Just concerns about the government, the infrastructure and the tremendous challenge of scale they have before them. - Ray Grieselhuber
This makes the same amount of sense it did when Leo Laporte proposed this idea during the opening ceremony - that is none at all. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Superpower. The modern day empire. China has a lot more experience at Imperialism. - Aaron Brazell
Technically ... until China floats it's currency, we're subsidizing them. Free trade at some point needs to be fair free trade. - Charlie Anzman
boy 'yall thinks this is a good thing? I'm just glad to be here and not there. if the rest of the world wants to bend over for tyranny, cheap labor and unrestricted industrialization... then let them destroy their land. ...and they can hate me all they want. ah yes the joys of socialism that is not sustainable, so now they have to be a bunch of predators. I'm just glad we aren't voting Obama for president or we might end up like them. A green ghetto makes a carnivore - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ
Bull shit bunch of Propaganda! American imperialism is not finished but just starting! Watch for New World Order! - Igor The Troll
they should of put you in the gulag Igor. Goodnight! - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ
Noah yes Solzhenitsyn! I speak the Truth and Fuck U! - Igor The Troll
It already ended. Depression mode ahead! - Michael Forian
Just added Fareed Zakaria's book to my Amazon.com wish list. - Mike Reynolds
Agreed with Dave Winer. This doesn't mean some post-apocalyptic future for America; just less American dominance in various areas. - Brent Newhall
you can have your Chinese mob glut of human meat and I will take America and it's breadbasket of food, plentiful natural gas and running on Chevy Volts in a few years. Wind and Solar going faster then any other country. America is BACK! I just hope I can hold all of you to live outside of America's borders in a few years. Socialism and Dictatorships are flip sides of a coin. America might hit a few bumps down the road to energy independence, but I will take this road over any other. - Ⓝ〄ⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂ〄Ⓝ
