As mentioned earlier today, Twitter seems to have capped your ability to follow at 2,000 people, which just so happens to be exactly where I am. The goal, in theory, is to stop marketing-oriented spammers, but it could be another way to reduce stress on the system. So what should I do now, delete "less favored" people, or wait for Twitter to figure this out? - Louis Gray via mail2ff
Maybe it's the legacy talking, but I'm really not bothered by this. :P - l0ckergn0me
I can see why they do it, but it does suck for the people who do it legitimately and are not using stupid mass follow scripts. - David Risley
I'm not super-concerned either, but it does answer why all of a sudden, I started getting these errors last week. It could be part of their "Making Progress On Spam" initiative via the blog, but it hasn't been spelled out all that clearly. - Louis Gray
let blame this one on Scobles... :)- - Peter Dawson
Louis, I think cap is more of the architecture the system. Making it into a more robust platform. Now watermarks have been set, it becomes easier to build consistency of experience and application behavior. <Edit > wait for Twitter to figure it out.. Marketing spammers are targeting the 'stupid' one that have the auto follow !! - Peter Dawson
gotta like it, if I'm the one you are trying to follow! - Ben Hedrington
I don't think there should be limits like this, but I guess everything can't be infinite - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)
Not for everyone. I'm over 2000 and just followed someone else - Aaron Brazell
I honestly am indifferent about it; Twitter is going to hell and i tried my best to convert it; oh well, Hell has cookies - Gordon Swaby
I"m only following 49... with 106 followers.. - Ian May
so what do you think, Louis, is benhedrington worth going to the mat for? - Nathan Rein
I'm sure I can find someone to unfollow in exchange for Ben. - Louis Gray
Twitter needs to build in groups functionality a la tweetdeck for following 2K+ to even be practical. - Nicholas Molnar
Louis: You need to convince the new people to head over here :) - Justin Korn
I'm just curious what the rationale is for following that many people. - Paul Rodriguez
Well, maybe that's why Louis always seems to know what's going on before anybody else. - Rahsheen(isSoAwesome)
I've noticed that most of the time I get followed by somebody with a big number, it tends to be marketing play. It triggers the email to you and then you go look and click on their bio link which takes you to the pitch. Very irritating. I always block em. - Mark Schulz
@Paul Rodriguez, I was wondering that too. I wouldn't have even guessed there are 2000 interesting people in the world </cynicism>, but what fascinate me is that i'm following like 83 people and only about 14 of them tweet regularly. I can assume most of those 2000 do not tweet regularly. Add in the fact that I'm a WAHM to two toddlers, and do other stuff, there'd be a lot of stuff I'd miss. - faboo mama
New profit center? Sorry, but now you'll have to join Twitter Pro .... - Charlie Anzman
Very interesting. System limits is going to be a topic that we all work through in this early phase of the Social Web. It seems to me that it's reasonable to cap the number one follows to 1,000 or 2,000. On the flipside, one would clearly like to enable a very high number of followers. With respect to bi-directional connections, the real number should max at 1,000 to 2,000... - John McCrea
This is awesome! Incidentally, Scoble (@Scobleizer) is still following over 30K. - Vincent van Wylick
So where is the point following 30k people? You might as well hit the main timeline. The only thing that is bad about this limit is that it was not there from the beginning. - Alexander Kohlhofer
so what's going to happen to those who follow over 2000? - Wayne Sutton
you follow two. thousand. people.??? never mind twitter; there may be a law against that. - jeneane is in the house
I like the new limit. I cannot see how anyone would be able to legitimately follow (and pay attention to) more than 2,000 people. Frankly, even that limit seems higher than it needs to be. If it helps keep Twitter a little more stable, go for it. - Dennis Metzcher
Couple thoughts: the limit impacts the ability to use the service as a direct message router -- for some people. It also reinforces the need for dectralized microblogging -- so if you want exceed the limits you can do so on your own infrastructure. Lastly, nothing prevents you from following everyone or a subset of people through RSS/feeds. - Chris Messina
Are we sure that Twitter has set a 2,000 limit are or we cranking up the rumor mill? I've seen image before with respect to my own account - an account which just reached 1,000 followers today. According the Twitter rep who contacted me, I got - ahem - put in "Twitter Prison" for "Aggressive Following" My ratio of Followers to Following was kinda out of whack - at that time I had only ~800 people following me while I was following ~2,800 - They suspended my ability to follow more people. I removed 2K. - Vincent Wright
I don't understand the motivation for following 2K people if you're not a spammer... someone explain? - Jason Carreira
Jason: For a entrepreneur/VC/angel networker, it would be very easy to hit 2,000 contacts (assuming you used Twitter like a rolodex). From one networking meeting, I might pick up 0-100+ business cards (more at conferences), and during a heavy season I could be doing 7-10 meetings/week. As a angel, I might want to follow 5,000-10,000+ projects/people. Anyone might have a really good project 2-10+ years down the pipe... I've got cartons/boxes of 3-ring binders of business cards in plastic sheets. - Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell @Charlie - Rumors aside, do you think the cap is a gesture towards monetization? Going after the power networkers? Seems you would have good cause to pay for a Twitter Pro, or would it just not be worth it? - joneilortiz
I use Twitter as both a professional development tool (following people who say useful and interesting things abt health / edtech / social media / libraries ...), a personal tool (friends and folk who are amusing), and a reference tool (following a lot of news streams and information resources). You can hit 2000 fast. A friend says that people are imagining new ways in which Twitter could be used, but Twitter seems bound and determined to force them back into some small box of how it "ought" to be. - Patricia F. Anderson
My account seems to be OK, but I hardly use Twitter anymore. - Bill Sodeman
I had 77 yesterday afternoon and it returned back to 89 last night. I'm still ok. - Phillip Jeffrey
We have lingering issues. I still am missing approx. 250 followers, but more important to me, I cannot add anyone. I just met a number of great people ;this past few weeks who are adding me on Twitter, and I have to keep explaining to them why I can't reciprocate immediately. This is a real drag. There has been no indication from Twitter if this situation will ever change. I tried to post a comment about it (politely) on their blog, and they never approved my comment. They have not answered any messages.:( - Cathryn Hrudicka
Of all the companies for Digg to sell to, I'm very glad it's Google. Man, imagine if it _was_ Microsoft! - Calvin Robinson via twhirl
I'd buy Digg for a pack of bubble gum and movie passes to see Batman in IMAX. Not only because that's all I have, but that's all it's going to be worth in 5 years either way. - Mike Lewis
Will this make me more likely to use it? No. - Shey
@Shey - I assume, if the rumor is true, Google will integrate Digg into Google search results. Seems like a pretty good fit, if done right. - Joe Perrin
Maybe this means Digg will finally get a good search engine. I've always had to go to Google to search "site:digg.com <keywords>" - much faster than Digg' search, and more relevant results. Yep, you can tell I'm not the biggest Digg fan. - Chris Thomson
It sounds good for Digg, but what does Google get? Its a pretty simple idea that, if they wanted, could replicate in weeks. Is the Digg brand really worth $200M?? - Steve Mactaggart via twhirl
@Mike Doeff, yes the scoop (if the rumor mills is true) goes to Valleywag. Its been digg for like 2wks now.. the only new data item is the $200M and that value was speculated well over a year ago - Peter Dawson
Google buying Digg would be a validation that all the creativity in Google is tied up in current projects. - Daniel Spisak via twhirl
Congrats. Starting and running your own company is an absolutely amazing experience. I wish you well, and hope it rocks. - Andru Edwards
Congrats dude. Although it was a brief experience (and many moons ago in Web years), it was my pleasure to have worked with you. All the best! - Kevin C. Tofel
Excellent guest post... Louis the guest bloggers are great, it's very refreshing. - Mike Fruchter
Refreshing as in that it's not me, Mike? :-) - Louis Gray
Louis refreshing in the fact that it gives you more daddy time, and less time blogging for the interim.. Oh now don't even go there :-) - Mike Fruchter
It's probably more definitional -- people equate prominence with remoteness. And the more they think you're famous the less they treat you like a person. That's been my experience at industry parties. Every interaction is someone trying to right some wrong they think you did them. If they didn't like the way you said hello that'll turn into a flamey blog post. Makes you want to have some more distance. People still have 20th century attitudes about fame. - Dave Winer
Applying that kind of thinking to blogging is the most ridiculous perversion. Blogging exists to empower everyone to speak their mind. To then impose a hierarchy on it is to subvert the whole idea! Anyway, look for ways you penalize people for expressing their opinions and you might find some of the more "prominent" people coming back into the flow. - Dave Winer
your chart is wrong (at least for me it was/is) - the n00b stage is where i interacted even more than i do today by a small percentage - Allen Stern
Louis, you've always struck me as a person seeking to hear diverse voices, your "Guest Posts" proves this. Nice way to widen the discussion. - Nice Fish Films
I've never thought of the blogosphere as having a hierarchy. Obviously some bloggers are more interesting to more readers than some others. Some bloggers are simply better at writing - at getting their thoughts onto paper; much the same as some very intelligent people make lousy speakers the same goes for blogging. - Ian May
Definitely not for me. When I was a newb, there was a lot less interaction. Back when I started doing serialized posts on websites, there were seriously about seven or eight people on the internet who'd read that stuff. I was elated when my hit-count went double digits. - Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Interesting post Hutch, I claim stage 2 as well. - Shey
n00b here :-) Great guest post (again). - Justin Korn
I second that, I would be on stage 2 .I blog for an outlet, if an audience follows and interacts with me, that's an added bonus. - Mike Fruchter
I'm a n00b. That's why I had Hutch write for me. - Louis Gray
ha, Louis. Branding the chart with the LG logo -- hardly n00bish. : ) - Robert Seidman
*This* is the great friend divide. Scoble got it all wrong. - Benedikt Koehler
Thanks everyone for your comments. A lot of fun doing this. Dave Winer is definitely a Stage 4 guy, interesting to see his perspective. And Mark "Rizzn" - I remember well the thrill when hits went to double digits as well. - Hutch Carpenter
Maybe it's also a country thing. In Germany there are no stage 4 bloggers. That's what I like about blogging in Germany ;-) - Benedikt Koehler
Hutch - Good piece. I would argue that those promoting a specific product engage as many people as possible if they're going to use Twitter or other micro-blogging services (instead of some of the 'nutty' posts that sometimes look really bad). You never know who your next best promoter is. Agree totally that people shouldn't be insulted if they don't get an answer ... the first time :) - Charlie Anzman
I'm blogging in Danish about Social media. I'm trying to get new people interested in the subject and my goal will newer be readers but the conversation and how I can push the Danish marketing community in a new direction. Every comment is still gold to me. I have my niche and I love it. - morten saxnaes
Wow - Seth actually does get out there. Posted a comment to him. - Hutch Carpenter
"I personally read and answer every single email I get " - seth. g - thats so true, I have emailed to him and he responds ! - Peter Dawson
Hutch, though not in called out in the post, in the original thread I did say Seth is *excellent* at interacting. There are different approaches to interacting. Seth posts his e-mail address on his blog, you don't. Neither approach wrong -- just different. As you note, Seth's posts do stand on their own. Maybe there's a blogging opportunity for someone to analyze Seth's posts and try to start the discussion.. - Robert Seidman
first off, it never ceases to amaze me that you can collect so many comments on friendfeed :). Secondly, I am curious how you are able to encourage people to guest post on yer blog, I have several peers with things to say and I have offered my blog as a forum but I have yet to get any takers - gregory
@justin sounds like the digg effect! I was hoping my 'sorry, I have a meeting' post might get this love but I published on iPhone craze day and I didn't get any love... Oh well, keep posting - gregory
Very interesting post and comments! I believe however there is something lacking in the blogging curve. What about people who where lurkers or commentators for a long time and know everything about blogging from a theoretical angle? There is of course a difference between knowledge and practical experience, but doesn't it bring a feeling of false trust/hope for fame for those people? - Laurent Rozenfeld
I hope I make your list and if not, please let me know why so I can potentially improve. - Allen Stern
Glad to see that you are starting to realize, despite Techmeme that the world doesn't revolve around just the bay area. - Harold Gilchrist via twhirl
Gotta say you're bang on the mark there. Tech blogging should be about the tech, not the biz. - Luke Robinson
Allen: I like your blog. It's just that I love hanging out with all of you and talking geeky stuff a lot more than talking about this deal and that deal and all that. - Robert Scoble
Harold: I've always realized that. I feel I got unfairly tagged with believing the world only was about the Bay Area. I guess I deserved that to some extent, but this area is quite dominant in the world of tech (including the tool you're typing on right now) so some of my boosterism is to be expected. Funny that the top Israeli company has offices here too. - Robert Scoble
Kudos to you Mr. Scoble, what a very bright post you delivered today! Thank you for bringing some fresh perspective, that's always refreshing and welcome. I'm also happy you cite Lifehacker as an example. They focus on the smartest digital experience possible and help us improve ourselves. That's the biggest deal of all. Techbloggers should never forget it. - c0wb0yz
I love the tech first and foremost but the business is important too, especially in respect to the sustainability of said tech. - Jamie
Jamie: I agree. But the business needs to serve the customers and the customers/participants/users or whatever you want to call you and me aren't coming first in this industry anymore and that's worrying. - Robert Scoble
Wow funny enough thats the way i have been feeling for a while now I am looking forward to seeing what is next from the Scobelizer... - John Spencer via twhirl
I agree overall - CN has only a small percentage of biz - most is trends, analysis, and reviews. I had an interesting discussion about this with someone last week - if i had a computer that could handle video, i'd make a quick video to explain - there's an important part you are missing - Allen Stern
Next is to get some sleep. Gotta be up at 7:30 to be at Fortune Conference at 8 a.m. for breakfast. It's an incredible conference, hope to see some of you at the Tweetup at 5:45 p.m. - Robert Scoble
Allen: will be watching in the morning for what I was missing. I'm sure I'm missing a lot. I had to stop ranting at some point, it was getting too long! :-) - Robert Scoble
This is often relevant from major blogs/ celeb bloggers. The smaller and more personal blogs are still focusing just on tech ;) Perhaps you need to update your feeds :-) - Dennis Bjørn Petersen via twhirl
Dennis: I know. It's why I spend a lot more time here lately than on blogging. The smaller stuff shows up here a lot more regularly and I see a lot less "Yahoo business news." - Robert Scoble
Excellent post Robert. It's why I don't read Techmeme as much as I used to. The life and joy in exploring, playing with and dissecting tech, the geeky exuberance in 'new stuff' has been lessened across almost all tech sites in general, leaving a bland veneer that is just business talk. Things a geek like me doesn't care about, as I'm not an investor. - Mo Kargas
Techmeme has suffered because most of the tech blogs they follow have become nothing more then PR outlets like you said. - Harold Gilchrist via twhirl
As I posted in your comments, that's a really good post. It's great to see the old Scoble back - the one who I started reading back when your "latest thing" was Tablet PC! Welcome back, mate. - Ian Betteridge
Robert, blogging is becoming commercialized, as it becomes popular. I do not see it as a problem. It just might mean that you and a bunch of other likely minded people have to move on to a greener, more fascinating and less populated pastures. Like friendfeed, etc. Luckily, there are lots of them around and tons in the pipeline. Enjoy! - Павел Романовский
I don't know, Robert. On the one hand I agree 100%. And can I say that as editor of WebWorkerDaily I am the one who gets those 15 press releases a day and I *constantly* have the "is this useful?" filter on. I hope that's clear in our postings. Anyway...Your post is kind of like the person who is used to picking their own corn complaining about the supermarket because it's not the same garden. It's not. The grocer has to pay its bills, as does the paid tech blogger. - Judi Sohn
I know I am a newie to all this but I have been reading blogs for a while. I've bee thinking up a response and I'll post later. Long comments on the iPhone make for one queasy bus ride. - Derick Valadao
Finally. Thank you. I follow 357 feeds. Everyday. Granted I have many pop-sites (lifehacker, engadget, etc) on the list. But not one is of these "new breed" of tech bloggers out there. Even though I am in the industry, they do not speak to me. They are just another form of CNN to me. Linking to each other and regurgitating the same gibberish, no matter how relevant or important, it does not speak to me. Anyway, welcome back! This is very refreshing news to me. I will be following it with much interest. TY! - Carlos Ayala
We should all just organize a "Tech Blog Strike", unsubscribing to those blogs that only push press releases. Let's see how they sweat when they see their subscriber count falling... - JungleG
Obviously my previous comment was "tldr". I just wanted to say how great it is that a person in your position is able to repurpose his content to better fit the goal you are trying to reach with your content. It's a great direction to take in a time where most blogs are just trying to echo up to the top. - Derick Valadao
Excellent post on the state of the blogging nation. - Sheila Thomson
My only real problem with tech bloggins is how easily ideas take hold and spread to get page hits. This is very easily seen in the Vista hatred - there was never any objective reasonf or it... but it was so useful for traffic generation and looking cool that it was rampant. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
It's probably less about the business/tech divide, and more about me-too echo blogging - Dave Pelland
I think so... tech bloggers are jsut as easily victims of peer pressure and memes as anyone. Once an Idea ("love google") defines someone as "getting it" then few will look at it objectively. - Soulhuntre via twhirl
This is a welcome breath of fresh air. Fantastic. - Pete Gilbert
Super excellent post and, ironically, exactly what blogging is all about. One good thing about an economic downturn, it will weed a lot of fluff out of the infosphere -- with less incentive to act as promotional platforms for startups, blogs may get more informative about using established tech. - Sprague D
Great article Robert. It is your authenticity even more than your tech blogging that has made you the great writer that you are. Anyone can report Apple's earnings yesterday. You have always had an honest voice though that makes your writing stand out. - Thomas Hawk
The take away is 'sensational headlines'. Add to the "Rumor:" and we don't need this stuff unless it's coming from a tabloid format site - Charlie Anzman
I don't actually read Techmeme or Techcrunch or other tech blogs that much, as I'm not anything like an insider. I indulge my "social software as spectator sport" obsession by reading Friendfeed, basically. Friendfeed plays the hype filter role that tech blogs are theoretically supposed to play but don't. - K Welch
Blogging is about saying what I want to say, and sharing things that I like with anybody who cares to listen. I'm not interested in driving traffic (thank goodness) or repeating what others have said, but contributing to a discussion. - Chris Nixon
Great post Robert. Very good read and right on the mark. I religiously read feeds in Reader, but only a few that help me. I love Lifehacker. Almost everyday I find something new and useful to my job. - Gary Schmidt
The Techie audience thirsty for knowledge is much smaller then the Get-rich-quick audience, but the largest demographic are the Free-lunch boys. The blogs with the most revenue have tricked their advertisers into believing teenage boys are business decision makers. - paul mooney
I love tech bloggers and the things they write about. The good ones will always come at a common topic from a different angle and I just LOVE that because it makes me think outside the box and start connecting dots all over the place. Robert you are definitely one of those bloggers that I love to read and I don't think any of the ones I read have failed me. - Devlin Dunsmore via twhirl
I have to agree about the comments system though. One thing that we started to see a while ago was data portability and being able to communicate accross services. I think Disqus does that quite well and it's a great first step to making sure that the comments system becomes a little more useful on blogs. - Derick Valadao
Well said Robert, left a comment, said my piece, cheers! - Steve Spalding
Wow, an impressive and honest assessment of some major issues in the techblogosphere. - Richard Akerman
Robert - I'm not in the tech industry. But I love what lots of tech stuff has done for learning stuff in my life and for others. And I want to keep on learning. You've certainly helped me here - I wouldn't know a fraction as much about using Friendfeed productively, for example. Glad we're going to see more of this kind of stuff. Welcome back. - Tom Landini
Knocked it out of the park. If we can just get back to being geeks again, a lot of this drama will calm itself... - Jared Smith
this, along with Luis Grey's article today about Techcrunch and Techmeme, are both really interesting features on why blogging, and more specifically high-profile bloggers that were once more passionate, more personal, more engaged, more interesting, are falling to the wayside - Kevin via twhirl
Great read, but kind of depressing the way things have gone. I just like being a bit geeky and all things will work out in the end. - Alan Ashley via twhirl
The key issue for me is that there isn't enough analysis. Just reporting what an app does is useful, but very baseline useful. What are the implications? That's where tech bloggins has really failed. - Shripriya via twhirl
Shripriay, you hit it on the head. It is a shame that all the tech bloggers just wants to be Engadet or Gizmodo these days. - Harold Gilchrist via twhirl
Nice writeup Robert. I enjoyed your detailed analysis & history of the situation. Perhaps you can lead us in a new direction? - Mitchell Tsai
i read the tech bloggers then try to actually use the gadget. would like to hear more results from the usage angle. - Lee Kent
Shripriya, I agree with you wholeheartedly. My original comment was much longer but got cut due to length. I wish more blogs were like Louis Gray and Lifehacker which take a step back and then hit us with posts that are useful/interesting almost 100% of the time. Zero Punctuation is a great example for the gaming crowd--one post a week, internet fame. - Derick Valadao
Hmm... A Scoble article I like.... Is this the Seventh Seal? Seriously, you're right on in that the echo chamber of groupthink has made tech blogging boring and predictable. I think there's a few people out there fighting it, and FF makes it easier to find them. I think you're off on the business side, though... I think it SHOULD be about the technology, but the entrepreneurs coming out of the Valley have made it necessary for us to discuss the business side by not having solid business plans. - Jason Carreira
Anyway, hope this is a sign of things to come from you. - Jason Carreira
Thanks Robert. Great read, and perspectives. Love to see more on productivity, like Lifehacker. Just became a GTD convert BTW and loved the David Allen piece. - Jericho
Thanks for that Robert -- perspective is key. - Shey
I'm sorry but those that don't scale are toast, from a commericial and traffic standpoint. I know that is part of the point (varying aims and objectives of blogging etc.) - Alex Hammer
Slap your self and get back on that horse Robert. You have NOT failed us. Human nature makes us want what we do not have. For some it's page views/revenue, for trolls it's attention, and others it's n-list status. The rest of us are looking to quench our thirst for knowledge. And please give our group a little credit. We have become ever-so-skillful at weeding out those sources that do not provide this knowledge. I repeat...You have NOT failed us. - Andrew Smith
I appreciate what you are saying, and am glad that others share the same opinion as myself. What happened to being the guys who always had some tech trick that seemed like magic to the uninitiated? The joy of tech for me is showing that magic to others and getting them interested in what's out there too, and lately we have all become business whores a little bit. I look forward to the future content coming from you, and getting back to what made tech cool in the first place, the tech itself. - Aaron Krug
One of the things I value most about Robert is his inner homing mechanism. He's very prone to get lost, but something always shakes him loose and he re-calibrates. Or is that re-boots? (Kind of like iPhone 2.0 now that I think about it.) - Michael Markman
Robert, I loved reading that entry. It felt so personal and it read like it came from a passion rather than a business. This is what lacks in the the tech blogging industry, passion. I think I'm going to add you to my RSS reader. If this friendfeed conversation isn't proof that tech blogging is failing then I don't know what is. Keep up the great work and I look forward to seeing this change implemented. - Michael Narciso via NoiseRiver
I agree w/ your article, Robert. The wonder that makes so many of us interested in tech does get lost at times- I never saw tech blogs as the place for that stuff, but appreciated it when I found it there. - anna
Alex: While scaling is necessary if you want more people to view your content, why should that come at the cost of the content itself? Too many startups are trying to replace a solid marketing plan with social media and end up trying to use big blogs as a means to advertise their product and ride the traffic tail to customers. From what I gather, this tends to make jaded bloggers who are not trying to balance the original goal of their contributions with the benefits of increased consumption. Scoble was right to point to lifehacker as a great blog which scaled and still stayed relevant to their readers. - Derick Valadao
I kinda find this funny.. the comments are so distributed between FF channel and Scobles blog channel ? which one am I too follow ? I mean yesterday we had this big huge augments about cluster and fragmentation of conversations. So Robert, here's a suggestion. Turn off comments on your blog and let your readers comment on FF only. Else dont post your blog entry to FF and break your own paradigm of saying you want to be a connector, yet will to let comments slip and glide across all properties that you own. For the record there are 46 comments there and 57+1 comments here. Anyhoot, nice read. - Peter Dawson
I just approved a bunch of comments that were held in moderation. Now there's 88 comments over there. Whew. - Robert Scoble
I'm deeply suspicious of this recent anti-blogging meme (thanks to Calacanis!) Blogs are simply shifting into another priority (within the enlarged mediasphere). As much as I enjoy the "micro" trend, it's also highly reductionist with an absence of elaboration and important context. Blogs provide a space for a different kind of information processing and engagement. If anything, blog hasn't failed me, I have failed my blog (i.e., to choose something EASY (like this) over the *work* of creating a full post. - melmcbride
melmcbride: good point. It's easy to just stay on FriendFeed all day. It's hard to come up with something new to say that takes more than a short paragraph. Damn, I'm sounding so old school. The neat thing is when I do a longer blog is comes in here and improves everything. - Robert Scoble
Robert: The way you're using your blog WITH FriendFeed is ideal. Same for Twitter, etc. I think we ought to focus on the meaningful integration of these tools for media production and conversation as opposed to versus or hierarchies. I suspect we are on the same RSS here :) - melmcbride
i think this is part of the echo chamber that is the silicon valley. people who live there use the "new" thing for so long they soon get sick of doing it. they are same people who think everyone elses use technology the same way they do and feels the same way they do. - Jonathan Jesse
Scoble steps out of the bubble and takes a breath of fresh air... hopefully more follow or we're going nowhere fast. - Harish V
I thought this was great! Robert, I think what I hear is your desire to just do whatever the hell you want to without regard to "The Man". Go for it. You of all people can do that! - Elliott Ng
Robert the real issues is that everything really only needs to exist once. Conversations don't neeed to exist in many different places. Your blog comments and the conversation here are all the same conversation. I'd love to explain the solution as i see it but it'd take too long. - Anton Mannering
Robert I am still lost- How can you profess to be be a convo aggregator , yet approve 88 comments on your blog ? @Anton, no Blog comments and these comments on FF, are two different sets of conversation happening on the same topic. Lets not confuse this fact !! There is a fork in the convosphere. - Peter Dawson
@ Anton: I sort of agree with you, but i don't think comment fragmentation is all bad. Sometimes well-written comments appearing somewhere else can draw attention to good ideas. If I don't subscribe to a particular blog but see the feed posted here on FF, I'll pick it up and then maybe I'll go straight to the blog. There's value in fragmentation along with the frustration. - phil baumann
I think a service like disqus should be used so that friendfeed comments on links to blog posts (with comments therein) will all show up no matter which medium you use to discuss them. Does this exist yet? I thought disqus would have this covered by now. - Derick Valadao
Peter: I approved about 40 that were being held in a moderation queue. I don't let newbies post a comment on my blog because then it'd be overrun with spam. FriendFeed has a much better system to protect against spam than my blog's comments. I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL, return it to my blog, and get it linked in, all really quickly. - Robert Scoble
I haven't read the comments here, but feel I can comment. Robert, as someone who as known you for five years now - just before the mania began - I am pleased to hear this. What got me into your blog in the first place was your ENTHUSIASM for technology, particularly GTD. Never let that go. You be you. I will be me. And everyone else will be everyone else. In the end, you gotta follow what you love. It works for everyone from Steve Jobs to the Pope. Your friend online and off - SR - Steve Rubel
@ phil bauman Ok 2 things. First of all I didn't say it shouldn't appear in many places. I'm saying that if you're in Roberts comments and I'm on Friendfeed then we should be able to see ALL the conversation from both. But it need not exist in a whole bunch of places only be visible from there. Second I think the argument that there is value in fragmentation is similar to saying there is value in using a ploughshare pulled by an ox. Ther is but not to most people. - Anton Mannering
@ Robert Scoble: Interesting you should mention your blog comments being friendfeed. I know a startup or two working on those problems. In reality though the issues become way bigger when such a service is subject to really large numbers (non-tech crowd). Solving those problems is where the fun and games are and I only know one startup with a real solution for that. - Anton Mannering
Ironic, isn't it--the influences (PR, marketing, big media) the original bloggers were trying to break away from are--surprise-- still here and the game hasn't changed as much as we thought. PR people still push their stories, tech and news blogs focus on a few big name co's and start looking like traditional media, etc. What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm and original thought that Scoble and others brought to the game earlier on--otherwise, we've only duplicated the old media on a new platform. - mark ivey
I send you a tweet also but I believe that I must also write here how spot-on was your post... I can't wait to see more real Tech news coming from you and I hope that this will force other bloggers to remember how they started back then... - Manos Matsakis
This is clearly your best post ever. Thank you for all of your hard work. I read your blog because it entertains me. I would love more posts "sharing geeky things."
On the other hand, if you blog about news, technology, and a few pro-company biases, that's nothing to be ashamed of. Just because you (or any other blogger) do not provide a perfect balanced news experience does not mean that you have failed. People are responsible for finding their own news this day in age. - Brian Wilson
Great post and I totally agree. "What's needed is more of the energy, enthusiasm..." - Eric_T
Great stuff Robert. As blogging and social media continues to spread outside of tech and into other niche industries and verticals, those of us facilitating and evangelizing that spread should continue to look back at this post so history isn't repeated. See you at the Ritz tonight. - J.J. Toothman
"I think that it'd very cool if I could replace my blog's comments with FriendFeed, but that'd require an API that would make a URL" - yeah I second that motion. If I had a widget that could do that but with bi- directional flow , that would really be a convo aggregator. This will certainly be an interesting challenge to some of the geeks out here ! - Peter Dawson
You can, if you're willing to give up the content. Glenn developed a great plugin that allows for bi-directional flow. It works for Wordpress and (I think) Blogger http://blog.slaven.net.au/word... - Steve Spalding
Great timing :) I got strange looks this weekend when I said that I don't review anything that has been 'pitched' to me - but rather things I discover that I think are cool. I discovered something this weekend at BlogHer that I will review. But no one sent me a press release. :) It's just a really neat gadget! - Lucretia Pruitt
I think you should watch the movie 'Resurrecting the Champ' - its about a Writer. Drew the analogy to your post and the movie (that I just happened to see yesterday) http://mrinal.vox.com/library/... - Mrinal Desai
Enjoyed that rant, Robert. I'm not a tech geek, I don't read techmeme or techcrunch as the gist and trends can be followed here on FF, but I do read blogs like yours, Louis, Jeremiah and Hutch's, mainly to learn new things. Before FF I had never heard of Rescue Time, Jott, Evernote or TSheets for example, but hearing about new ideas and then experimenting with them myself, well that gets me interested and excited. The corporate enterprise stuff leaves me cold, it isn't nifty or flexible enough for users. - Sally Church
Nice post. The PR influence bit reminded me of this article by Paul Graham: http://www.paulgraham.com/subm.... Agree to the fact that Tech blogging has been less 'tech' than it was a couple of years ago. - Nikhil Dandekar
I loved the rant earlier yesterday, and even more impressed by the ff reaction. My take on your blogging, having followed you since MS days. Stay on what you think, not what others think. Avoid the whole Gillmor Gang bs, and associated groupthink. - bankwatch
I think that every new medium matures as it becomes possible to make real money at it - this is inevitable. I don;t think it will be the death of blogging certainly but we are in a new phase. Older blogs will mature and still keep that flavor or they will stagnate and die. The personalities will decide that. One of the things I like about your work Robert is the enthusiasm. Sometimes it makes you a bit naive, others it makes you a little to fast to declare something game changing but it is always good input - Soulhuntre
Robert, just read your wonderful post now, and I'm still fascinated by it. I'm commenting here because I know you'll read here first. You know, this competition that you were taking about, almost cause me to stop blogging, but then I realized that I'm writing because I like it, so as far as I'm concern, I'm not trying to compete anyone, this is why I'm taking things easy and on my own pace.
I have to also agree about the TOO MUCH content every day. It is just too much to handle, and most of the time you read about the same things from several blogs, then you bump into the same content in services like Twitter, Friendfeed, Facebook...
I've recently noticed that my subscribers counter is not going anywhere than little up and down. I think it as a lot to do with the fact that people don't need to use the RSS reader as much as before because the content is coming to them anyway, again: Twitter, Friendfeed, Facebook, etc (assuming that the people who read technology blogs using these services). - Orli Yakuel
Orli: you know me too well! :-) Yup, agreed. Just do it because it's fun. The problem is that posts that make us all smarter don't stick around very long because of the flow. - Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe it's because 'blogs' are not so unique anymore. Lets take Friednfeed for example: everyone can get noticed here just because they favorite picture on Flickr or dugg story on digg (regardless if they writing a blog, or giving any other opinion in the subject) this and other massive content mixed up together on a daily basis is flowing so fast, it almost seem that if you'll stop and give one story too much attention, you'll miss the next one. Oh, and back to the first line here, Micro-blogging definitely killed some of that. - Orli Yakuel
“So seeing how Podcamp Boston isn't a real podcamp anymore, can I ask the totally altruistic hippie question of where do the people in Boston go for the freebie camps?”
Brian, that would be an actual "barcamp" -- which, I believe many people would be down with! I heard of something like this happening on the West coast, with quite a bit of success. - Do You KNOW Clarence?
Brian: see barcamp boston link above/below. And dude, people camped at Microsoft's office in San Francisco, but that's not the point. Look, PCB admitted they changed the rules, that's fine, we've been down this road. So it's more a conference and not a camp thing. Not all Podcamps are alike. So I'm just asking a simple question. BROKE ASS BEANGEEKS GO WHERE? Thanks in advance. - Eric Rice
FeeFree Wilderness Podcamp U.P. Michigan Who'd show up? - Brian Rendel via fftogo
Maybe peeps will show up in the hallways :D - Michael Gaines
barcamp 3 was in May. http://www.barcampboston.org/ Great event, lots of fun. Very tech centric, but could be pushed in any direction if enough social media types showed. - Justin Whitaker
mel apparently it's not even about podcasting anymore, i dunno. - Eric Rice
yeah, it's definitely not about anything but people seeking microcelebrity. And it's getting really tired. - melmcbride
it seems that Podcamps have really turned into How To Create And Leverage My Social Capital In Hope To Make Money Camp. Or maybe it's I Play With Social Media So Why Am I Still Poor And Lonely Camp. - Schlomo Rabinowitz
@melmcbride What the hell is a "friend collector"? Aren't you the person using people from Seesmic for your class without their consent? "This is what a person shouldn't do". - Michael Gaines
@eric - Jaiku? Or maybe even FriendFeed? - Linda Mills
Michael: the content you refer to is public. It requires no consent. When you broadcast in a public space - a video that includes embed code. I was not referring here to that content but content i've seen recently from lifestreaming podcasters. I'm not a fan of that genre. - melmcbride
I have no problem with a fee for PodCamps to cover costs not covered by sponsors. But a $99 "day of" fee is ridiculous. So they're punishing people, charging them $49 more, for making a decision to show up at the last minute? Doesn't make sense to me. - Rob Safuto
Yeah the more I think about the seesmic thing, the more I think there is nothing to complain about. All videos have hyperlinks, embed codes and are publicly visible. But heh, this thread is a wacky one, huh HOW ABOUT THOSE GIANTS - Eric Rice
Michael: Additionally, I do not require the consent of a public performer to show their content. I merely talked about the kind of behaviour one ought not to broadcast in a public channel if you are an emerging professional. I see that views here are subjective - and that's fine. But I have the right to comment on this content - as does anyone. - melmcbride
Whether created in a public space or not, it's still copyrighted. I think you should watch Seemsic's copyright expert on Seesmic tonight at 6pm EST. Also, Seesmic uses Creative Commons now. Also, Seesmic has Terms Of Service - Michael Gaines
It's also worth mentioning that I've had a very different experience at a pair of DrupalCamps in New York City. The people who show up are looking to build things, learn and solve problems. Some podcasting related events seem to attract many more "get rich quick" and "consultant/expert" types than I'm comfortable with. - Rob Safuto
I'm curious where academic fair use (or any fair use that is) comes into play. - Eric Rice
"Except as allowed under Section 5 of these Terms of Service, you may not post, download, print, make commercial use of or otherwise use User-Generated Content that you do not own without a license or other prior written approval from the owner(s) of the User-Generated Content in question." - Michael Gaines
Rob, one needs look no further than the differences in dramas of filmmakers and radio djs respectively to see history repeat. I don't know what socmedia has a precedent. Proms, maybe? /snort - Eric Rice
I didn't broadcast any of that content. I merely spoke about it. I also have meessaged with Loic and other educators using Seesmic about my interest and there wasn't any concern expressed about use of Seesmic content in an educational context. But thank you for this information. I will gladly watch this broadcast. Also, the clause above speaks to commercial use - btw. From what I gather Loic and the Seesmic team have a vested interest in the use Seesmic in education. - melmcbride
Additionally, Mel named no names and showed no content. That needs to be stressed. She told a story as a warning to those who might have questionable content or practices in terms of their web presence. That's all she did- tell social media newbies a cautionary tale. - Abby Martin
Also, my other point is that you're criticizing these events and yet don't attend them yourself. These are more than a bunch of people getting together to feed their egos. I'm meeting up with people I actually care about. I'm also doing a seesion on teaching people how to do a podcast. I have no hidden agenda. Parents were both teachers. - Michael Gaines
You're absolutely right Michael. I was wrong to to criticize the event. I guess I'm just not seeing enough of the right content? Can you recommend three of the best vlog/podcasters you know of (who don't do lifestreaming)? I appreciate the people you care about and loved your defense of Christine last night - I watched all of your videos. I think Christine exemplifies the kind of intelligence I like to see in this content. She is the SIGNAL in all of the noise (as I see it). - melmcbride
Running out the door, will answer when I get home. I seem to be defending a lot of people lately :/ Three best people that don't lifestream? Hard to say if you consider Twitter/Seesmic that way. I can name probably a dozen people that I
