Exceptional post because it provides rationale for embargoes and when you would use them, and some situational if-then advice that helps one figure out what to do if things don't go exactly as planned.
Twitter: @elliottng - Elliott Ng via FriendFeed MT Plugin
“Now that we can add a "Twitter" category for our imaginary friends who tweet AND we can directly reply back, what are the remaining advantages to using Twitter-specific clients?”
I can think of a few: @replies, faster 'push' (see our friends' tweets possibly faster), and receipt of direct messages outside of e-mail. Oh, and setting up imaginary friends is still a pain (wouldn't it be awesome to have "create imaginary friends from your Twitter contact list" wizard?). Have I missed anything? - Adam Lasnik
Hmm... a couple other considerations: If I add all my twitter buddies as FF imaginary friends and then delete those folks in my twitter account: 1) they can no longer direct message me (though frankly they should just e-mail me anyway... I hate non-email emails ala FB and Twitter messaging!) 2) I look like an arrogant bastard ("he has [x] followers but follows no one?!") - Adam Lasnik
umm - you can't initiate a tweet without replying to one that's already been sent? Or am I missing something?! :) - Matt Hooper
Ah, good point, Matt. But one could use ping.fm or twitter.com for that :). I'm just trying to centralize the number of places I feel compelled to look each day. Not gonna give up personal or corp gmail. Or Google Reader. Or Google Calendar. Or Friendfeed or Facebook :). But I'd prefer not to feel obligated to *also* check Twitter, Jaiku, Brightkite, etc. etc. etc. - Adam Lasnik
Adam yes - I guess what I'm spending a lot of time thinking about lately is how I'd like to be able to use FriendFeed as the central point for me to start all my micro-blogging conversations. I think that would be VERY handy and complements your last sentence - it would minimise/take away the need to log into all these other services to initiate and then continue conversations if we could do it all here. Not sure this was the original intention for FF though, it starting out as an activity aggregator 'n all - Matt Hooper
I wouldn't recommend adding them as "imaginary friends", since the Twitter only folks' Tweets will be RSS'd into your stream. Since (currently) we cannot filter our main feed via RSS differentiating filters(?), the Twitter feed will clutter your friends' public feeds. Perhaps grouping your "Twitter, Jaiku, Brightkite - insert other micro-blogging service here ' only folks and search within that group for @adamlasnik, or whatever your Twitter username is, to find @replies may be a better option? - Mona N.
The only disadvantage to that, would be, you may perhaps miss any of their other posts or shares and I'm not sure if aside from Twitter, the other various services will post cross platforms. :) - Mona N.
Hey Mona, I gotta say you lost me here :o. Unless you're saying that if/when I comment on an Imaginary Friend's tweet on FF, that that'll be shown as "[name] (friend of Adam Lasnik)" and could get irritating? Couldn't people just then "Hide items from friends of Adam"? Also, I don't get what you mean about missing other posts or shares. If they're Imaginary Friends, then they don't have other stuff (on FF), right? Sorry, I'm just back from two trips so perhaps I'm just really dense tonight... - Adam Lasnik
just like the showing of many likes, you could have the same functionality for identical status updates to Twitter, Plurk, Identi.ca, Rejaw, Brightkite, Pownce, Jaiku, etc. via multi-updating services like Ping.fm, Hellotxt, and updating.me - Nathan Chase
This is how Socialthing! is doing it right now, and how FriendFeed should pick it up. When the comment box drops, it should also have the option if you want to reply on which service as well. - Andrew Trinh
so glad Kevin and Paul liked this.. make it happen! ;) - Tim Hoeck
“Population of Alaska = 683,478. Population of Santa Clara county = 1,837,075. Number of people employed by Walmart = 2,100,000. Things I learned on Wikipedia today.”
Random I was just checking out clips on YouTube of moose attacking cars hahaha!! - Joe Dawson
Moose burgers are really good. So is caribou stew and reindeer sausage. *mouth waters* - JMS
It may look funny, but moose can be really mean. And they are really big. People get hurt in AK every year by moose stomping. Don't get between a mama moose and her calf. - JMS
Interesting take on lists, I like it. Now if I can just figure out the tags I am going to use :) - Tim Hoeck
My FriendFeed project for the weekend is to start creating my lists. Now I can tag all the editors
that cater to my various interests on FF. It's a win, win situation. - Mike Fruchter
What are you naming your lists? This is my dilemma currently. - Mike Fruchter
My initial lists are in the blog post. But I'm going to evolve those over time. - Hutch Carpenter
I have begun my initial tag'n'sort, but I think it's gonna take me all weekend. Since I accidentally added all those following me, I should take the time to include them in my lists. Of course, once the initial sort is done is when the real work begins - refining the lists. - Slippy Lane
Amen! Why are people adverse to agreeing to disagree? Discourse, people! Try it some time! - JA Castillo
I don't do that unless people get overbearing about their beliefs. I'm atheist & I have bumped heads a few times, but it would have to be severe for me to unsubscribe - Kamilah Gill
If I were to be that way, I wouldn't be subscribed to anybody. I disagree with key issues on all sides. I'm more interested in what we have in common. - Shey
@Kamilah Everyone has a breaking point. But some people don't even try to get along. - Shey
nothing wrong with disagreement, but when you come off as a bitter belligerent a-hole, it's usually tapping into a greater part of one's personality. - Cee Bee
+100 Shey - variety is the spice of life!! agreeing to disagree is sublime. - Morgan
I enjoy the discourse generally. And you have a point Cee Bee. Boy, I hope I don't come off that way ever. It's certainly not part of my personality. - JMS
I believe there is an adage about not discussing religion and politics in polite company. I think that most of us would be better served following that adage in our public feeds and reserve our thoughts, primarily about politics, for rooms dedicated for them. It seems to me that the sort of compartmentalization is a perfect use for rooms. - RAPatton
not at all JMS. i respect your points of view - Cee Bee
Thanks Cee Bee. Was just hoping I wasn't one of those. :-) I try to be logical. Doesn't work all the time. :-P - JMS
I wouldn't unsubscribe from someone b/c I disagree. But if I had followed them for, say, their expertise in technology and suddenly they're all about politics, well then, buh-bye I don't really care to hear your politics if you're not an expert in the field. - Craig Eddy
RAP I try not to start stuff about religion or politics, but I do like to respond sometimes - Kamilah Gill
@JA because "agreeing to disagree" doesn't move the conversation forward. it's a dead end. i prefer conversational intolerance - http://bit.ly/3eWjj0 - ~C4Chaos
RAPatton, apprecaite your point. but I think we learn when we respectfullly engage those who do not share our beliefs. When I see another person's perspective I don't react knee jerk [at least most of the time] and it helps me to consider my own position. Am I just drinking the kool aid or does this represent what I believe is right? So I mine will remain on my public feed. - Ruth Ferguson
when everyone surrounds themselves with only those that think like them, they do themselves and their causes a disservice. - Ruth Ferguson
Kamilah, all we can do is our best. Some conversations need to be had, but most of the political discussion I see on FF isn't really conversation. It is cheerleading or denigration that is more like 12 years old insulting each other mothers. - RAPatton
Ruth, I agree completely. An old axiom I love is, "if everyone is thinking the same thing, then no one is thinking," - RAPatton
ppl are charged up - they are engaged the last 18 hours have included two important moments in US political history. - Ruth Ferguson
Actually RAP- rooms for debate & discussion of politics and/or religion are a good idea. (And I apologize if I have offended anyone.) And +100 Shey. - Abby Martin
picking an unknown is like dividing by zero ... or covering your ears while screaming "not listening" - Scott Moskowitz
I'm going to vigourously disagree that politics and religion should be relegated to specific rooms. They should be kept out of rooms with non-political and non-religious subjects, but in more general areas they should not be avoided. I'm thinking especially about politics, where if we don't talk about it publicly, then mass media will continue to have control over what the issues are and how they are framed. - Bruce Lewis via fftogo
Listen to others to "understand the enemy" and, better still, to solidify your own thoughts. - Ontario Emperor via fftogo
I disgree w/all the above , including shey !! Why ? Who cares, whatever attitude of mine .heheheh - Peter Dawson
I'm somewhat with Bruce. folks just need to keep it civil. folks who don't want to participate can ignore or hide a particular thread. I tend to avoid subscribing to people who *always* talk politics, but when my regular people discuss it occasionally I'm usually alright with that. - Kamilah Gill
Vital to hear what people who do not agree with you are saying. NOT advocating separate rooms for dems & republicans (like MSNBC & Fox) - Advocating a room for political debate- kind of like a designated sparring ring- you want to debate, have at it! (Or maybe I've been handling groups of preschoolers too long?) - Abby Martin
Emotions get the best of everyone... - Rich Harris
then we end up with only those who agree being in a room together - where is the growth in that? that is just creating a designated spot for groupthink. Sorry but I am uncomfortable with the suggestion that in this important time in American political history I should confine myself somewhere. I have lost subbers, OK I can accept that. I do not intend to offend, but I will exercise freedom of speech on FF - Ruth Ferguson
i got a bit uncivil today, but it was kinda necessary. i'm all for discourse & exchange though - Cee Bee
Agreed. This is supposed to be cathartic in nature. - Peter Ghosh
Ruth -Fair enough. I could be wrong. Happens a lot. I obviously like a good political discussion. I just worry about how hot things get how quickly. I've lost subbers too and I'm cool with that. And I'm not against freedom of expression or speech- just don't like some of the vehemence. That's why I thought maybe a room for debate was good. hadn't thought about the groupthink aspect-- had hoped it would be a legit forum for debate where people could really go at it. Oh well- I am wrong- and I accept that. :) - Abby Martin
it's like the old saying "dont mix alcohol and politics/religion" same goes for social media - andy brudtkuhl
"Some conversations need to be had, but most of the political discussion I see on FF isn't really conversation. It is cheerleading or denigration that is more like 12 years old insulting each other mothers" So true RAP - Shey
I have unsubscribed to those that attack me and my views. As a conservative this happens all the time. - Paul L. McCord Jr. via twhirl
Right now, this entry is the "best of Friendfeed" for me. Is Friendfeed's algorithm this bad, or is this really the best of what is here? (I don't mean to pick on you, Shey. - bill giltner
I've actually gained some followers, yes! - orionstarr
@Shey - you are exactly right... that's why i need a politics filter for Twitter, FF, and my Google Reader... People bitching back and forth is not discussion and does not move anything forward. And with that I am going offline until December (i wish) - andy brudtkuhl
Abby you were not wrong before, but now you just considered a different pespective. that is what dialogue can do for all of us. - Ruth Ferguson
BTW my Obama badge is deliberate politics has been a big part of my online experience in 2008 so i wanted potential subbers to know - Ruth Ferguson
when i mention obama i get a few unsubs. same with race.did you think i was going to talk about social media all day? - Lynne d Johnson
i didn't mean you. i meant the people unsubbing. - Lynne d Johnson
I only said it once . . . in jest ;) - Lindsey Smith
I can't agree more, Shey. If I unsubbed from people based on the fact I disagree their political and religious views, I would lose a lot of cool people I've been chatting with. Especially considering I seem to be the minority on my corner of FF being a Christian and a Republican. "Some conversations need to be had, but most of the political discussion I see on FF isn't really conversation. It is cheerleading or denigration that is more like 12 years old insulting each other mothers"I agree 100% with that statement. - Candace Holly
Really Lynne? I don't think I've personally ever unsubbed because of something like that. In fact, I'm likely to subscribe to people with different points of view because I like learning and hearing what others have to say. Just like with Ruth; she put it out there and I really enjoy hearing what she has to say. - JMS
I will say though that civility goes a long way. There is one person I'm considering unsubbing from because several posts have implied that anyone who is a moderate, conservative, Republican, or not voting for Obama is a raving lunatic, uneducated, or ignorant. That kind of talk annoys me because it shows a lack of respect for diversity and other opinions. On FF it's hard to determine sarcasm or irony sometimes, but I don't get the impression that this person means the comments that way. Disappointing. - JMS
(belatedly) Ruth- Good point! But I'm always happy to consider another perspective- always hope others are too. :) - Abby Martin
I've never done that. Life's too short to bear a grudge. - Mo Kargas
I'm on here specifically to hear, and respect, other viewpoints. Who cares if we don't all think alike, last I checked that was part of what America was supposed to stand for. - Matt Hamilton
I agree with JMS. Respect for others' beliefs is a must. - Lindsey Smith
hey to all the above once again.. my 2 cents !! I was once a beta in the Omidyar Network . we factored in many variables. Having said that, all I can and will say, is that, personal ranking, reputation analysis, dichotomy of thought and presences, is not easy to quantify and capture. Its not about politics and relgion. Its about apples and oranges !! :)- - Peter Dawson
Of course, those are the people who won the 2004 election for Dubya. - Jason Carreira
Yeah yeah, I know. But that combined with her pro-life stance would make me think - please GOD - that the pumas just couldn't pull that lever. - Carla Thompson
Thanks for the warning Jason, I won't bother to click...LOL - Ruth Ferguson
And Biden is pro-RIAA. They all have flaws. That's why we've got checks and balances. She doesn't make the law, Congress does. - Ben Parr
Oh Jason why'd you do that? I'm going to have to click. And it's going to make me nauseous. - Carla Thompson
Oh Jesus Mary. That's horrific. Don't go there, people. Do not click that link. - Carla Thompson
Just because a lot of people think something is a good idea, doesn't mean it is. - AlexScoble(Robert'sBro)
If two thirds of America started sniffing glue, would you? I could go on and on. There's a reason why we don't elect the President based on a simple majority and why we have the checks and balances in place. The wants of the majority do not outweigh the needs of the minority. - AlexScoble(Robert'sBro)
Sorry about the link... It's really sad. I think given that there are those crazies, it's doubly important to get Hillary out there for Obama and calling this Palin pick what it is: pandering. - Jason Carreira
A lot of people thought Bush would be an effective leader too. If we're going to establish America as a theocracy, then let's toss the Constitution and start from scratch. I'm sure Iran could give us some helpful pointers on how to get started. - Carla Thompson
My reason for posting the NY Times link was to point out that she is not out of step with the voting public. Though we might be. - Sprague D
well you know it says "broad is the path to destruction" - Ruth Ferguson
I have to know, what's on that link? - Kamilah Gill
Creationist == anti-science luddite. That seems to be a much bigger national security risk than just about anything I hear being pushed by the dems. - Tad - just Tad
that link wrecked my day - I hope Hillary voters will take the time to learn her positions and then fight like hell to stop her! - JMaultasch
@Kamilah, the link is to a Hillary Clinton forum. Her supporters - at least the ones on there - are elated with Palin. - Carla Thompson
@Kamilah it's the hillary clinton forums where the bitter dregs of her supporters are crowing about Palin and how the Democrats are really the sexist party. The good thing is that there's really not that many of them. The sad thing is that there are any. - Jason Carreira
vomit vomit vomit. thank you. that's making me cringe without even looking - Kamilah Gill
if the republicans win, i'm leaving the country. Tahiti, Australia, and Antartica are on the top of my list. any other suggestions? - Chris Hollander
wow... you guys at US, will you ever get out from that dirt of last 8 years? just... wow :-o - silpol
I've always wanted to live in Ireland. Australia's nice too, I hear. - Carla Thompson
No, if the Republicans win I'm asking THEM to leave. Politely, of course. - Rod Bauer via twhirl
OK, if no one on this thread believes in God, let me ask you, who do you credit for your very existence and the existence of everything around you? When you see a tree, do you think that it just came from it's tree parent and that's it? Who designed the tree in the first place? I think science and a belief in God go together just fine. My opinion. Oh, and it would be awesome if we could keep the discussion civil for everyone's benefit, of course. :) - Josh Haley
Let me ask you this: If you weren't here who would ask the question? Who was asking the question for the first 12 billion plus years? You start with a pre-defined end state and then wonder that it happened? Not very logical. - Jason Carreira
??? not being a creationist doesn't make you an atheist. I happen to *be* an atheist, but there are some people who are religious and yet accept that evolution happened - Kamilah Gill
This is so contrived on the part of the GOP - she's female, a kid going to iraq and a baby with downs. Way too stinky for me. - Cheryl Allin
I am religious and I accept that evolution does and did happen, just not to the scale that many people think. - Josh Haley
Josh: you can believe in God, heck you can be a Christian, and think Creationism is a hilariously awful worldview. Never mind scientific scrutiny, it doesn't hold up to theological or logical scrutiny. - Mark Trapp
Most Christians I know have no problem with evolution. I was brought up Christian and creationism was taught as a bible story, not as literal fact. - Tad - just Tad
A less than 6 month old baby with downs.. - Jason Carreira
Josh, but if God made Man, who made God? That argument is going nowhere. We're better off discussing the merits of the choices :-) - Sally Church
"not to the scale...". That doesn't make sense to me. but, ok. got too much other stuff to do - Kamilah Gill
one thing is for sure. Sarah Palin is no Hillary. Clinton is science-friendly - http://bit.ly/EtT3y - ~C4Chaos
@Kamillah - I understand if you don't wish to debate, but I will clarify: I do not believe that I am a descendant of what people would call apes. I believe that all animals and living things can mutate and evolve to adapt to their surroundings, sure. If you wear a pair of shoes that don't fit long enough, you develop callouses, for a very small example. Even as a Christian, who believes he is a child of God, I accept science enthusiastically. - Josh Haley
Josh: you're in good company. Scientists don't believe humans descended from apes, either, but that there is a common genetic ancestor between all primates. I guess if you have a misinformed view of evolution, it'd be pretty easy to discount it. - Mark Trapp
Josh, I don't really get your view of evolution as it relates to God's divine plan either: are you implying that God let evolution play out randomly in everything but humans? That's not exactly a Christian worldview: I don't know what that is. God doesn't leave things to chance: Christians who hold evolution to be fact still hold that God shapes evolutionary paths. - Mark Trapp
I think we're straying from the key point here though and that is that integrating a religious theory into public education goes against the basic tenets of America's founding. If we're going to do it, we should be ready and willing to, for example, begin teaching Islamic Sharia law in civics class or numerology alongside fractions. Well that last one's a bit of a stretch, but you get my point. - Carla Thompson
excellent point Carla, and it'd be a cold day in hell before most people in the US would be cool with Islamic teachings in schools, as much as some are clamoring for more "religion" (usually code for Christianity) in schools and society in general - Kamilah Gill
If McCain is trying to bait voters just because Palin is a woman, the GOP is dumber than I thought. HRC supporters who consider McCain will HATE her. Her policies and beliefs are the opposite of their own. - Glenn Batuyong via twhirl
From browsing through quite a few comments to political stories in MSM in the last few days, I'm convinced that most Hillary supporters are confusing a national election with American Idol. - Jody C
Actually I'm hearing the opposite from friends who supported HRC going for McCain-Palin. - Ernie Oporto
First of all, the pick is aimed at two groups, 1) Independent voters looking for an atypical, reform-minded team, and 2) the pro-life, limited-government base. They'll take HRC voters, but that is not the primary target. Second point, it seems quite hostile and bigoted to say that because someone holds to a religious teaching, they can't be a good public servant. - Jim Ierley
"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same." - Jeremy Toeman via Bookmarklet
That's still too nice... it needs to be "It's not the first time John McCain has chosen a younger woman" - Jason Carreira
it's not just "former mayor" by the way - she was mayor less than TWO years ago! - Jeremy Toeman
I think they just said on MSNBC that the population present for her speech was almost double than that of the city she was mayor of ... - M. Donaldson
My conservative buddies in New Jersey are crapping themselves - they all wanted Romney or Ridge. Ooops. - Sally Church
I'm voting Obama. But I could have lived with Romney or Ridge being VP, particularly Ridge. Palin on the other hand ... she scares me as VP. I *DO NOT WANT* her as Commander and Chief and it has nothing to do with what she has between her legs and everything to do with her experience, big oil ties and abuse of power. - AJ Kohn
The FriendFeed Feedback room is full of some great ideas for the FriendFeed team to implement going forward. Why not check out the suggestions and "Like" all those you agree on. In theory, the FriendFeed team could take your guidance on the most popular suggestions... - Louis Gray
“I'm certain its been posted countless times, but I would like to throw my hat into the ring for the ability to 'like' specific comments instead of the actual post.” - Mathew Ballard
“one click friendfeed signup from the widget on homepage - so visitors can leave comments without having to come to friendfeed & then go back again to the site where the widget was originally embedded. - Mathew Ballard
"7. Hiding People from the Main Feed is a Bad Idea" /// I think it's a great idea, and I am already using it. On my main feed there are only the people I don't want to miss a thing of. Other people I follow are in a list I check less often, when I have time to spare. - Peter
yeah, you can easily create a private room and achieve that - Vincent van Wylick
But ff cannot crawl internal websites, blogs, etc. - Shakeel Mahate
A self-hosted version of FriendFeed would make for an interesting kind of open-source software package. Perhaps something with slightly less intense features could be released as something organizations could host on intranet servers...? Just a thought. You could even name it CompanyFeed. :D - Voyagerfan5761
You could use the single update protocol to crawl your own intranet! :-) - Slippy Lane
Social Sites by Newsgator has this functionality built on the SharePoint platform. The problem with this type of technology is that you have to keep support costs down for IT while providing governance on the information to comply with government regulations. An open source solution like CompanyFeed would be great for small-midsize businesses. - Erica Toelle
“Please add ability to hide items from FF rooms in feed (unless there are comments). Right now, it's all FF items or not. I would like to not see items from FF rooms unless I go to the rooms or someone comments/likes and item.”
“I'm certain its been posted countless times, but I would like to throw my hat into the ring for the ability to 'like' specific comments instead of the actual post.”
At the moment, I see only three items on my page, and a link to 27 hidden items. I don't use hide that much, all of last.fm, those of twitter I follow on twitter, and friends of friends. Can the default number of items on my main page be increased, such as 20 non-hidden entries? - Peter
It's because the hiding takes place at the client side. To up the number of entries displayed on your feed, add a "?num=100" (without the quotes, of course) to the end of the URI ("&nu
