I don't know..there have been acts more recentely that weren't garbage. 112 and Jagged Edge come to mind. The singles are usually the most horrible tracks on the album, so you wouldn't know any better unless you actually bothered to listen. - ♫ Rahsheen™
I'd definitely agree that stuff got spotty after 93 or so, though :) - ♫ Rahsheen™
I'll add that it's really R&B *radio* that sucks. it's all about "ratings" and payola (still). they push the same sound, producers, artists. there are plenty of artists making great R&B and Soul music. you just won't hear it on the radio. - jbrotherlove
True, True. I should have been clearer with that. The good music has been dragged underground, almost. Same with rap, but don't tell nobody cuz they get emotional when I say that..lol - ♫ Rahsheen™
I was at a thing last week and they had the radio on in the background. I heard Kanye's Love Lockdown just about every half hour on the hour. Pick out five other songs and artists (I recognized Rihanna, I think) and it was the same story. Sad. - Derrick
I was driving through Memphis a few weeks ago with my dad and we heard an r&b song by a chick about how she smashed her ex boyfriends windows after they broke up. It was awesome and hilarious. I would listen to more modern r&b if it was honest and funny like that. - Occasional Headbanger
+1 jbrotherlove. If you don't bother the Timbalands and the Pharells or whomever, there's some good stuff that's just not making it on mainstream radio. - Helen Sventitsky
I'm still trying to find my spot, Tad. As you can see by the tracks I have out, I'm all over the place...lol - ♫ Rahsheen™
Well, I wouldn't know what's on the radio, since I refuse to listen to it. I can only speak to what I hear from what my friends like or internet music sites recommend to me. I've been anti-rap in R&B for so long and now it seems to be a standard. The infusion of dancehall into R&B, killing not only great beats, but the careers of some good dancehall artists, in my eyes. The overproduction blows. And the lyrics are so bad that it's like they're singing a porn script. - Anika Malone
I listen to NPR on the road. Works for me. I think I get the bulk of my new music suggestions from friends online, via FF or whatever. - Derrick
I don't know the names of songs, but about 5 (?) years ago, dancehall artists were showing up more often on R&B singles, running the Diwali riddim into the ground. - Anika Malone
Keep in mind that probably only bugs me and my husband because we listen to so much dancehall. I don't care if Sean Paul does it because he's bleeeech to me, but when good stars like Mr. Vegas or Sizzla do it, it does bug. Like when Beenie Man did that song with Janet Jackson. Erp! - Anika Malone
Get thee some Anthony Hamilton & John Legend's new album. It doesn't suck! I haven't been this happy about R&B since "return of the mack" <-- which I adore. here are some others from my files...mark ronson's "stop me" is alt-rock but seems really R&B to me. Have you ever listened to Ms. Dynamite? - anna
Also Goapele, not that into her as I was album-before-this-one. I'm a sap for Usher too, Alicia Keys (though the straining/warbling can get to me), concert recently- Raphael Saadiq, and I honestly haven't heard anything since tony toni tone, but thinking of trying it out. Musiq Soulchild, Jill Scott, & Van Hunt... - anna
Goapele and Ms. Dynamite are old standbys that never fail to entertain, but I don't consider them R&B either.. Jill Scott, John Legend, Angie Stone...most of the neo-soul crowd isn't bad, but their records have more boring than great on them from my tastes. And that's the other thing. I usually have to go outside the country for decent R&B. Korea, the Filipines and all those white girls from Scotland...damn. But the first two, I have no idea what they're saying. - Anika Malone
Yeah I tend to get into ruts, buying one artist and then never reaching out. Van Hunt was a weird one- got it on a recommendation from a friend really into rap and dismissive of soul. Anika have you heard Mark Ronson? - anna
Angie Stone grew on me. She has some songs, where I'm like, "Girl please. Take your ass back to working at The Gap." But often when I'm playing her, my husband thinks I'm playing 70s era R & B. I've heard of Ronson, via rec on Pandora. It only plays 4 of his songs, but I don't like them. And I know what you mean about Van Hunt. - Anika Malone
Rah: THANK. GOD. For a while there, i thought it was just me. - Steven Perez
And Anika is right. After 93, i have a hard time picking out good R&B music. - Steven Perez
I discovered a while ago that, here in the UK at least (dunno about the rest of the world) R&B is a completely different genre to R&B. The new one is, apparently Rhythm & Bass. God, I feel old. - Slippy Lane
yeah slippy. "urban" music in the UK is "pop" or something that ain't R&B or hip-hop in the american sense. i've tried to like dizzee rascal. really i have. ... do y'all know about the BBC's 1xtra radio station? they stream live and provide archived shows. all "black" music -- which includes african, american, UK and south asian fusion stuff. - tiffany
urban, r&b, bashment, nu-soul (i think I made that one up) etc etc, there are as many genres of music here in the uk as there are bands. In fact, I think we've passed the point where we can categorise music in such a way any more. Yes, there are pure examples of each genre, but there are as many hybrids, crossovers, new sounds, new takes on old sounds etc. There's a lot of crap out there, but the sheer amount of music being produced means that if you spend long enough digging, even the most [cont'd] - Slippy Lane
.....even the most hardened cynic will find something to impress them. - Slippy Lane
“و تو ای آدینهبوک جان، آیا تو هم ما را گرفتهای که به جای جلد دوم، دوباره جلد اول کتاب را میفرستی؟ آخر چند بار جلد اول؟ آیا به نظرت باید دوباره مرور کنم آنچه خواندهام؟ آیا اینقدر زورکی آخه؟ پس ته داستان چی میشه بالاخره؟ حداقل آخرش رو بگو حالا که کتاب رو اشتباه میفرستی، خدا...”
What's amazing about the article and the blog here is although we recognize the US auto industry is linked to massive future interests: manufacturing/merchandising during crisis/war times, US defense systems, global market share, competing with China's exponential expansion, protecting the "cool" American image and promoting the US through our greatest brand recog (US cars), labor costs and all issues involved, disassembling of unreasonable unions, nationally recognizing the transportation crisis and reciprocating with increasing gas costs...I find it odd that we face a huge butterfly effect by letting detroit crumble and most people seem to be against the bail out. Shouldn't saving Detroit be priority with so much at stake?? - Ebm
For most people I don't think the issue is whether we save Detroit or not. The issue is how. For example, I would not give money to a homeless drug addict and expect them not to use the money to support their habit instead of paying their rent. - scott anderson
The other thing that's interesting here for me is "our" reactions to Detroit failing. We blame everyone but ourselves. It's the CEO's jet setting around the country, it's poor innovation, lack of electric cars, union labor costs, production of "crappy" cars...well who will finally stand up and point at the American consumer? The consumers that made a Toyota sedan the #1 selling car in the US. What's leading now..Honda and Toyota. Bail out Detroit and then what...Americans keep buying foreign cars? - Ebm
@Scott....I see your point, but what other options do we have? Aside from long term plans like Scoble's (and I agree that restructuring needs to happen and heavy changes need to be made), is there really a viable solution that would work fast enough to save Detroit (other than the proposed google buying gm to forge g-moogle's - that's just ridiculous to me:) - Ebm
I'm in favor of Chapter 11 for the Big 3, raising the gas tax, and applying that revenue for a 21st century moonshot. Perhaps a national version of this vision ... http://www.sfgov.org/site/mayo... - scott anderson
Ebm I think you under-estimate the US auto consumer. Build me a truly world class sedan that has the performance, features and build quality to which I have become accustomed, and I'll buy it. Notice I mentioned nothing about price. Or fuel economy. Currently the domestic nameplates offer me nothing worth considering. The Camry/Accord are 1 and 2 because, just like a refridgerator, they just work. - Mark VandenBerg
@Mark, ah but isn't that the definition of loyalty? Ford will always be in my heart and regardless of what they put out, even if the competition is "better" than a Ford, I will always buy and proudly drive a Ford product. As far as world class sedans, foreign car companies have the luxury of releasing, testing, reworking, and perfecting their product for years before hitting the American market. And you'll notice their consumers were always loyal to their products. For years when American auto makers were building superior products, there was no foreign market simply because consumers were reluctant to buy foreign cars. So the real question here (maybe) is how do we determine what a "better" product is and draw the line btw this and brand loyalty? - Ebm
I'd like to think that we could generate all our power from the universe (solar, wind, tidal, geothermal) but I am repeatedly told that this is not realistic. - scott anderson
Ebm: Put another way: I have a 5 year old large sedan that I will be replacing in March/April 2009. I have become used to things like automatic shades, radar cruise control, heated washer nozzles, massive horsepower etc... Oh, and all maintenance covered by the manufacturer, is a real nice perk. It's a cash deal, no lease, no financing... What domestic product is there for me to consider? - Mark VandenBerg
Robert,
I'm sorry you've had a poor experience in Ford vehicles. I'd be interested to know what you define as "crappy." The excellent Ford Flex that you noted is a crossover not an SUV, btw. :)
You're wrong about Ford not innovating. Innovation comes from much more than creating an electric car, which seems to be the idea that you're fixated on. Let me see if I can enumerate the innovations at Ford that I'm aware of:
- Ford's vehicle mix was about 70% trucks & SUVs (largely because we were giving people exactly what they demanded in times of cheap gas); we have restructured to produce 60% cars & crossovers.
- We're changing over some of our truck & SUV manufacturing facilities to become car plants, with the flexible manufacturing capability; that is, if we need to change from car to truck or back again, it can be done in a matter of hours rather than a matter of months.
- We're using our successful European & South American manufacturing models to bring the more of those outstanding small cars to the U - Scott Monty
Scott works for Ford and I think it's most awesome that he took time to answer on a Saturday. - Robert Scoble
@Scott Monty: What ever happened with Ford's experiments with hydrogen fuel cells? - scott anderson
Mark: Check out the Cadillac CTS or for blow your doors off power the CTS-V. I drive a bimmer but I've recently driven the CTS and I'd seriously consider one if I were in the market. Nice quality and fit and finish. That said, I think Ford is best positioned for when things turn around. It seems they're retooling faster and their CEO has a track record of success at Boeing. I'm optimistic in the long run. - Peter Simard
@Mark, buy an S80 AWD Turbo and then let me borrow it :) - Ebm
@Scott Monty...you are my new hero, thanks for the awesome post! - Ebm
Peter, agree with you all the way, CTS and STS are AMAZING sedans with power and handling that crushes any BMW, Audi, Suburu, or Mercedes in my opinion (especially with the CTS V pushing an insane almost 600 hp). If this isn't a world class sedan, I'm not sure what is. - Ebm
@Ebm and @Peter The CTS-V and the S80 are both very capable mid-size sedans, for certain. I have never owned a Cadillac but I have had good experiences with Volvo in the past. I have heard good things about the new CTS-V and also the ownership experience. I am replacing a 750iL and prefer to stay with comparable sized sedans. I share both of your enthusiasm for Ford as a company. I think by crashing before the economic correction they are in the best position of the three. - Mark VandenBerg
The problem with threads and articles like this is that they're full of anecdotes. "I drove this and it rocked." "I had this car and it sucked." Come on - look at the facts in aggregate - US auto brands have the lowest reliability and resale value of any of the other major carmakers. It's been true for a generation now. Yes, we all have a great-aunt whose 1982 Ford Escort lasted forever. But extrapolating global truths from such anecdotes? Can you be serious? - Anthony Citrano
And it's not the workers - it's the companies. American workers can make a perfectly excellent Toyota in Kentucky, but for some reason we can't make a decent Ford in Detroit. Hmm... wonder where the problem lies? - Anthony Citrano
@Anthony, the beauty of this particular thread is the discussion of the auto industry crisis, global implications, and potential solutions spanning broad horizons dipping even into the future of alternative energy sources. If you read through the article, comments on the blog post, and the responses, you'll find that Robert not only discusses the issue at hand, but also potential solutions and the causes of these issues. Scott who works for Ford posed restructuring steps that Ford has taken and commented on Ford's innovations. Peter offered American sedans that easily compete with foreign sedans. Mutliple others like Chris and Scott A posed q's on add'l innovations from the big three. I didn't see the introduction of an "anecdote" until your comment. Have you read through everyone's contributions? - Ebm
I have to say I really enjoyed reading Roberts article, and all of the comments afterwards. It's a great way to engage people in understanding some of the nation's (and indeed world's) major issues, and I firmly believe that this is the way the majority of us will move forward in the future. Education and knowledge is empowering, and the more we all know and can learn about an issue, and understand it, the more we can interact in better ways to deal with it, in whatever positive way we can. - Ian May
I sure did, Ebm, but thanks for the scolding. If you missed them, sorry. - Anthony Citrano
Now that "Japanese" cars are now designed in California and assembled in Ohio, it seems pretty obvious that the problem with the American car companies is their management and/or corporate culture. - Gabe
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