"For now, a marriage between Twitter and Facebook is not meant to be — but the courtship between the two Web 2.0 companies could be rekindled in the future. That was one message from Evan Williams, the chief executive and co-founder of Twitter, in a talk at the Churchill Club in San Francisco Tuesday night." - Anthony Farrior
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The comments there are so short sighted... - Anthony Farrior
Many of the commenters aren't realizing that with FB stock, they really *can't* walk away with some exorbitant pile of cash. I think selling anything to FB for stock would be a major blunder. - Ryan Twomey
The new Messaging client is XMPP capable so that FriendFeed can feed into it. The Real Time Web expands! - Robert Scoble
2H2009 for Series 40 ... no word yet on S60 - Jonathan Greene
Social networking is positively invigorated by location and real-time access. This is a great move, now let's see if they can actually pull it off. - Mr. Gunn
looking for people to sign up on site via the Google FriendConnect widget in the sidebar if you can spare 30 seconds so we can give this a shot, and I can give a better review on whether its worthwhile or not. - Duncan Riley
Thanks. Gives me a chance to learn a little about Google Friend Connect. - Rolf Schewe
Thx Mel,Zee and Hutch. Zee, Hutch: I don't know what happens next, that's the part I'm trying to work out :-) - Duncan Riley
ok, one thing I've noticed: you can click on each avatar/ image and it takes you to a list of page/ links for each person. No idea if they share Google juice or not, but its another way of sharing links with people, so I'm cool with that immediately. - Duncan Riley
Atul, Orli was site number 1, the very first site to get it when it launched last year, and I've met her a couple of times as well, I can't speak highly enough of her. - Duncan Riley
I think I want this on my site....but I'm not sure what the point would be...LOL - ♫ Rahsheen ™ ★
thx AJ, Kate and Alan. Alan + Rasheen, that next part I'm not so sure :-) It shares links as long as you've got them in your Google profile, and the cool part is its all inline. Beyond that, time will tell..... - Duncan Riley
Duncan, thank you :-) and congrats! This gadget improved a lot since last year and Google's FC team is doing a wonderful job listening to feedback. It will get even better in the future. . - Orli Yakuel
Orli, no probs at all, and I hope one day to visit you in Israel and check out the local tech scene - Duncan Riley
You should! I've added lots of new Israeli-based companies to Go2 (http://www.go2web20.net - "Israel" tag) lately. It's amazing how the tech industry is growing here (still). - Orli Yakuel
Like the implementation. Looks good Duncan - Charlie Anzman
Love it Duncan! Just joined your site. - Larry Kless
interesting. the widget is not rendering for me on my old funky browser here at home (firefox 2). Will try to remember to give it a go tomorrow at work. - Laura Norvig
Denton, at this point I have not looked at the general stats yet, but typically digg gives a huge traffic spike for a few days. Inc does not seem to be a big driver though. - Rob Diana
Traditionally, I have seen that print publications do not drive traffic. This goes for the corporate world as well. - Louis Gray
Thats pretty interesting. Inc, BusinessWeek, etc stepped up their coverage of web companies and technologies in an attempt to stay relevant. Lack of a traffic surge implies either that their readers are not bothering with it, or that people read the magazine over such a widely diffuse time that you cannot really gauge a single traffic spike. I'm gonna guess the former: Inc magazine subscribers don't expect or rely upon Inc for technology news, which makes it that much harder for Inc to grow. - Denton Gentry
Louis is right. Print doesn't drive much traffic, but it's a HUGE brand builder. People around the world email me and tell me about columns that I've written or print articles I've appeared in. They don't do that when I'm just mentioned on blogs, etc. - Robert Scoble
Thanks Robert, that is an interesting perspective that I would not have thought about. - Rob Diana
They are such beautiful babies- and the joy on your face as one of the kids noshes on your nose is beautiful to behold. - Abby Martin
i have never seen anything so cute!! what was the verdict on your nose?? - Stephanie Pickett
SmugMug is fast...baby grabs (nose, hair) are faster :) - Micah Wittman
@Stephanie, my nose survived. Matthew has no teeth. But he was being very silly, biting my chin, nose, cheekbones, anything... my sister helpfully grabbed the iPhone camera and caught it. - Louis Gray
well i am glad you are in 1 piece still - lucky escape :D. i know so many people have said this, but they really are beautiful babies. - Stephanie Pickett
Librarian, you're brave. I can't imagine trying to take care of two babies at one time. It's been my obvservation that when one baby's alarm goes off, the other one gets set off, too. Scary. - MiɳiMagɘ (AlwaysMiniMage)
I hope you keep posting these and Friendfeed sticks around. It's fun watching kids grow. - Mattb4rd
Matt, so long as we have kids and cameras, we will keep posting to SmugMug. So long as that hits FriendFeed, and you guys keep participating, we'll keep going. I'm trying not to over-abuse the privilege. - Louis Gray
He is ADORABLE! This is much better than the monster attacking him pictures - Adriana
Robert - Like that you're traveling some with Milan. He's seeing things many kids only dream about. Hopefully he'll remember. Great stuff - Charlie Anzman
OK so your kids create interactive web companies and then you evangelize them. That would be a killer combo! - Jeremy Campbell
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Eiso: we're here for Nokia World. Looking forward to hearing all about their new phones. - Robert Scoble
johnpiercy: that's the front page. Heh. - Robert Scoble
"Train up a child in the way he should go and he shall not depart from it - Bible (smart... get him reading young...very wise move!) BTW, I remember a TON of things at a very early age, even diaper changes, so hopefully Milan will remember this trip!! - Susan Beebe (Santa Claus)
I hope my future children take up similar characteristics. - Daniel Zarick
milan will be a well read and well educated child time by the time he hits school .... his life will never be short of experiences - johnpiercy
Should have seen my 3yo son, his 10yo sister and their cousins running around our house tonight, playing Guitar hero and generally making a large ruckus. I remember going to my grandparents house on holidays and raising heck with my sister and cousins also. Brings back memories. - Jeff P. Henderson
This boy is very cute and I'd like to eat him! - Amin Sabeti
So, has he called 9-1-1 yet? If not, it's coming, trust me ;) (I think it's now a rite of passage these days) - TheMacMommy
TheMacMommy: oh, the surprises kids have in store for us are endless! - Robert Scoble
Amin: I feel like that a lot. Heheh. - Robert Scoble
I am reporting that Maryam is stuffing the turkey. Yes, it is journalism. - Robert Scoble
Hahaha, too funny. It's like a bird play by play. - Marcus Hamaker
Oh, stuff that Robert. ;-) (It is not on the #mumbay scale, but it is journalism) - Arne Hulstein
the true question is: What is journalism and how twitter can contribute to it - ouriel
Twitter is useful when an event is ongoing. It becomes noisy in the aftermath. - Paul
Journalism by definition is in the midst of such a profound shift in what it is that the question isn't really that interesting. I am just learning detail about Mubai from Twitter. I link to NYT or BBC or whatever, more often than not lately from Twitter. Everybody is different and that fact is more clear than ever now. Whatever works for you. - Mary Anne Davis
@Orli, it sure is. I mean, self-aggrandizing aside, I post my newsfeeds on it. - Terence Washington
According to MW there are many definitions for Journalism. The last entry correlates to Twitter, IMHO. *Writing designed to appeal to current popular taste or public interest* Twitter by default, is a publishing and distribution channel. It "can be" a form of new journalism combined with an integrated wire service. Happy Thanksgiving! - Brian Solis
No, it's more an eyewitness or spreading rumors thing. Journalism is (or should be) are more profound thing, but it can't be that fast. - Michael Zehrer
What is journalism? The dictionary doesn't know: "the activity or profession of writing for newspapers or magazines or of broadcasting news on radio or television." Wikipedia says "Journalism is the profession of writing or communicating, formally employed by publications and broadcasters, for the benefit of a particular community of people.". If it is communicating to a group of people (broadcasting) it is. Most of us are a broadcaster, are we all journalists? - Wilbert
Maybe Twitter as a website is journalism. It is an open community based on peer-review. - Wilbert
+1 @Michael. It's more like source for journalism - firsthand accounts. Journalists usually report on events that happen to somebody else. Tweets are personal events/thoughts. - Jared B. Luther
The collecting, writing, editing, and presenting of news or news articles in . . . & Written material of current interest or wide popular appeal. I think that the way many people use Twitter does hit that bar. - Joel Ordesky
It sure is more than a news source. It's citizen journalism. And most times, Citizen Journalism is most accurate and fast than traditional media. Period. - Apostolos Papadopoulos
I think Amy Gahran has some good insights into how it can be great tool for it --> http://www.contentious.com/200... ... I think it is an awesome resource but still not sure how to best use it. I am very much still exploring it but if everyone at SxSW for example hashtagged and tweeted I would think it surely is journalism. - John D. Lemke
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Journalism, as I see it, is analysis and deep insight. Twitter acts like a witness. No time for analysis just relaying the event, with some superficial observations perhaps but not the profound insight that time makes possible - Mahesh CR
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Twitter v Journalism is like data v information. I watched Twitter last night for the stream of data http://tinyurl.com/6b4wjj and I periodically checked the distillation of that data in Wikipedia http://tinyurl.com/5pbnde but I also read this morning's Washington Post article for the context and analysis http://tinyurl.com/6ya9cl . There's plenty of room for all three. - Timothy B. Taylor
No, it's not. It's stream-of-conciousness stuff. It's the difference between data and information. - Sean
Sean: that's bullshit. I can tell a pretty good story in 140 characters. - Robert Scoble
Michael: you have absolutely no idea what journalism is if that's what you believe. Journalism is the act of me telling you what is happening. No more, no less. I can do a LOT of journalism in 140 characters. - Robert Scoble
Robert, can you elaborate on how to tell a story in 140 characters? (In less than 140 characters, of course.) - Tom Landini
Tom: it's partly sunny in Half Moon Bay. That's a story. That's journalism. All in 140 characters. - Robert Scoble
Even better, downstairs Maryam is yelling at me to baste the turkey. :-) - Robert Scoble
It's bright and sunny this morning in Berkeley, temperature in the low 60s. This post is 109 characters long. - Dave Winer
My name is David Winer. This post is 57 characters long. - Dave Winer
I think this discussion is pointless. Stop the presses! This post is 88 characters long. - Dave Winer
I've never liked the term "story", gives me connotations of something made up. I know that's not true (sometimes ; ) ). I do think twitter is too limiting for indept analysis, but that's what links are for. Twitter can be used to give flash updates and track an event, but then so can anything that allows you to receive such nibbles of data. It's just another tool. - alphaxion
in a way; all the major news orgs have twitter feeds however, their posts lead to links of their online stories which are of course a lil more in depth: sometimes - sofarsoshawn
Robert and Dave: Those statements do tell me what is happening. And I guess that can be a basic form of journalism. But they don't tell me why I might want to pay attention to that. Maybe I was thinking more in the dramatic than the journalistic sense. Good discussion here. - Tom Landini
There goes Winer again, trying to make a point in a pointless discussion! - Robert Scoble
Tom: if I wanted you to pay attention I would have said "Free sex under partly cloudy Half Moon Bay skies." - Robert Scoble
I think the question is whether stuff on twitter can be "Good" journalism - Wilma Stoneflint
it's istant source of information which could lead to a big news! - Christian
Memo to Daily Print News Business: Surrender the breaking news beat and focus on analysis and perspective. - Eric Schwartzman
For an excellent analysis of this issue see "Overload!Journalism’s battle for relevance in an age of too much information" in the current issue of the Columbia Journalism Review http://tinyurl.com/6dxbmj - Timothy B. Taylor
@MrTweet has been a great tool in helping to expand my network this week. Very cool and well-done service. - Jared Smith
I demand a Mr. Friendfeed service next please. Roboscoble, make it happen! :) - Pete Delucchi
FriendFeed already has this with its friend suggestions. That's the problem with these services - there's no telling if Twitter will eventually just do this themselves and put MrTweet out of business. - Jesse Stay
I just noticed Steve seems to be actively using FriendFeed, at least moderately. Therefore, I say welcome, and sorry I called him names a few months ago. :) - Phil Glockner
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I think it is funny that Gillmor changed his mind about FriendFeed. All smart people will see the light eventually. :-) - Robert Scoble
I didn't change my mind. I asked for realtime and when I got it the whole place lit up. - Steve Gillmor
I always thought Steve would like FF. What am I saying? No I didn't. - Christopher Harley
Robert, it's true. When I wrote that he had spurned FriendFeed, Steve wrote that just because he didn't comment did not mean he wasn't involved. That said, it's nice to see you be more involved, Steve. Welcome! - Phil Glockner
Oh, so you didn't keep telling me that FriendFeed is where conversations go to die? Sorry, FriendFeed's search engine is too good. I found the proof. http://friendfeed.com/e/f63348... :-) - Robert Scoble
that is just taunting... holding someones words against them... - Brian Roy
Welcome to (at least more active involvement in) FriendFeed, Steve. The discussion will be that much more interesting from this point. :) - Lindsay Donaghe
Brain: we went back and forth for months about FriendFeed. I bet on the team, not the feature set. I knew that the features would come, so invested a LOT in FriendFeed this year. He couldn't see why until the features came, now he's on board. Cool. Wait until next year when I get the features +I+ want. :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert - I was just being snarky... Aggregation is a key... Hoping to see the features I'm looking for as well. But FF can't solve it all - which is why I'm out building stuff that solves problems leveraging FriendFeed and their APIs. - Brian Roy
Just for new people, a week after I joined in February I asked for this feature: "I want to talk to the database and pull stuff out of it. I want to say something like "show me all items that mention xxxxxxx and have nnn "Likes" and nnn "Comments" that are between February 1, 2008 and March 1, 2008." If you could talk to the database like that, then watch how usage around here explodes. There's a TON of value in the database here that no one can pull out yet. - Robert Scoble
Robert: Haha. We were talking about this just the other day in Steve's Ustream chat. I think he won't be totally on board until he gets track in FriendFeed. ...and probably full Twitter integration. - Rolf Schewe
Robert - love that one. I'm more interested in filtering out the noise, getting just the data I want (which changes from hour to hour), being able to participate in the conversation AND aggregating the data for later analysis. This morning I wanted to see stuff about the Jets and Vikings... this afternoon I wanted to see stuff about the AZ Cardinals... tomorrow I can go back and re-read the good stuff and follow the interesting people. - Brian Roy
Rolf and Brian: here's the thing, if I get what I want, you guys get what you want too. Think about it. If you can talk to the database you will get track and aggregation and participation info. THAT is why FriendFeed will explode next year as soon as they get us a rich interface to the database. - Robert Scoble
Another Gillmor comment about FriendFeed being a roach motel. http://friendfeed.com/e/863b1c... -- the search engine here is pretty fun to use to find old "dead" conversations. :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert: Remember that in the intervening months Twitter pulled track, dropped IM, bought Summize, said they were bringing functionality back then dropped those plans, said they were providing the full feed through Gnip, then weren't. It's not like it was just this sudden "You were right all along" epiphany. The situation changed a bunch. - Ken Sheppardson
Robert - Potentially, yes. Rate limiting and API limitations become key. FF won't (and shouldn't try to) solve EVERYTHING for everyone. They can, however, serve as a data aggregation hub - that is where I see "talking to the database" fitting in. I don't buy that Social Media will every have a "single source". Just my opinion. - Brian Roy
If FF gets track, never mind Twitter getting track, across all these services, that would be nuts. On separate thought, I think Twitters features will eventually be a subset of FF's services. - Rolf Schewe
Ken: FriendFeed never was a silo. I always seemed to figure out how to post links to my FriendFeed conversations on Twitter before. :-) Truth is, everything here always had an RSS feed so you could take conversations back out anyway and my blog has had a FF widget since April so it isn't a closed garden like Facebook is. - Robert Scoble
Rolf: be careful you don't start repeating all the track propoganda. ;-) Let's just say when I can follow/subscribe to subject/concepts on FF instead of [and of course by "instead of" I mean "in addition to"] people, the game will change again in a big way. - Ken Sheppardson
the million dollar question is: Is the value from FF in the data it aggregates or the data it generates? If the former there will be many aggregators vying for dominance. If the latter they have a real advantage. - Brian Roy
Ken: what I want isn't a Techmeme replacement, but something far more powerful. I hope we all get it. Either way, I am not unhappy with my investment. Some of my friends think I'm the biggest idiot for spending all this time on FriendFeed instead of blogging but I'm happy for them to think that. - Robert Scoble
Robert: I'd like to see not only a date range/# of comments (like you suggest) but also a measure of diminution- how quickly the # of comments is diminishing with each successive "re-incarnation" of a topic; if a conversation important enough that it is brought back to life and then generates a large number of new comments when compared to its original count it is more likely to be of lasting interest than one that got a lot of reaction at the time but no one found it worthwhile to go back and add to. - David HC Soul
Robert: Oh, I'm right with you wanting something far more powerful than Techmeme :-) Home about something Techememe-like where you're the one who determines the algorithm? - Ken Sheppardson
Brian, there's a reason why I clicked "Like" 10748 times so far. There's a HUGE amount of value in creating new data out of FriendFeed. Much more than mere aggregation of the stuff coming into it. - Robert Scoble
Again - is FF an aggregator, conversation platform or analyitics engine? IMHO they should pick one (maybe two) and source data for the other solutions built on the data. Just my 2 cents. - Brian Roy
Brian: yes. All the above. And a search engine. And much more. - Robert Scoble
Ken: FriendFeed is TechMeme where you get to decide the seed list, not Gabe Rivera. How's that? Do you understand yet why I've been spending so much time here and not caring what TechMeme thinks anymore? :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert - I agree... but Bret (and his team) have to deal with that prioritization and it's effects on business model. It will be tough to balance the competing priorities of the demand signals in "Micro-messaging". I'm not saying I know better... just pointing out the questions and offering my opinions. Hey - that is what makes this so great... right? - Brian Roy
One of my biggest complaints...and an area where things are virtually unchanged from the beginning... is the comment system. The lack of timestamps, monolithic text, usernames at the end of the post... It's an area where there's room for tons of improvement. - Ken Sheppardson
Ken: yet, despite all of these problems (and I agree I'd like to see improvements there) FriendFeed has far less commenting friction than any blog platform I've seen so far (and I comment on a lot of blogs). You can have your feature requests next year after I get mine. :-) - Robert Scoble
Robert: I was hoping for big things back when I heard Daniel Ha and Bret were talking. If FriendFeed and Disqus would team up and sort of refactor what each does (i.e. Disqus provides a streamlined system to replace the current FF comment system) thinks could get pretty slick. - Ken Sheppardson
Ken - there are in fact time stamps on comments if you hover over the little bubble icon next to them. - Phil Glockner
Phil: I still can't get used to this sort of worldview where things just flow past and you either see them or you don't. I'm stuck in a world where I want to mark things as read, catch up now and then, see what's new since the last time I visited, scan down a list of comments and just see the dates without hoverging over bubbles, etc. - Ken Sheppardson
BTW, anybody know when Disqus plans to provide their full feed of all comments via XMPP? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson
I'm more interested in BackType holding comments hostage. If you want to use the API for "commercial use" you have to pay them... Nice. - Brian Roy
Robert: I have a few issues with FF comments: There is no formal reply system in comments. I would like for people who reply to me show in my stream. It would be cool to have an archive of them too. Also no real-time comments. - Rolf Schewe
Ken: if it is important someone will figure out how to get your attention! :-) - Robert Scoble
Why do you think this lack of friction exists? - Patrick Thornton
Ken - It's not for the faint-of-heart, but you can grab any of FriendFeeds various streams (like the main feed, a room feed or a friend list) and add it to your RSS reader, giving you the ability to mark stuff read. - Phil Glockner
Phil: I've tried that, but IIRC comments are treated as as feed items, so you don't get anything new on your feed as the convo continues. Best I've been able to do so far is Enjit (http://www.enjit.com) :-) - Ken Sheppardson
no way would i pay. i would just use friendfeed exclusively - Jon We Won Lee
Not any more, now almost 50/50. I suspect once the real Twitter users start taking the survey the numbers will rise rapidly for the $0. - Kenton
Andrew - If they put ads on the site, i dont think it would matter, as i think most people dont even go to the twitter site to update with the amount of different apps available to do it from. pushing ad's to peoples feeds might be a way though.. - Simon Wicks
i won't pay for the service but if twitter comes out with something similar to what magpie did.. i would definitely sign up for the same. so $0 it is for me. - Devakishor
The lowest price in the poll, $5/month, is rather steep for the service that Twitter provides. More people would agree to $1/month. - Morton Fox
I'd ditch Twitter in a minute - it does nothing that FF can't do - William Harryman
There is NO way I'd pay for it. Was this poll of only SEO/Real Estate Agents/Nigerian Princes? - Aaron L. M. Goodwin
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Mike did a good job in featuring the new SocialSurveys product from SocialToo here. And I left a comment on the original article. - Louis Gray
Oh Louis, you conspiracy theorist you. I don't know why conflict of interest is such a big deal to people who read blogs. If you have that much trouble distinguishing fact from opinion, you have bigger problems than the subject of TechCrunch posts. - Geoffrey Hamilton
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No way I'd pay for Twitter, now FF on the other hand, yeah, I'd pay for that. - Thomas Hawk
Geoff, I don't have any conspiracy stuff. I believe your comment was intended for somebody else? - Louis Gray
This is better as an ad for SocialToo than as any sort of business indicator for Twitter - and the conversation is in Friendfeed. Very flawed poll choices anyway - and typical Kawasaki style. - David Petherick
With the way this crowd feels, the internet better be free. Nobody will have jobs to pay for it :) - Patricia
What's next? Paying for using Facebook, Google, Gmail, Yahoo etc ? - Ron Shoshani
@Ron, maybe. Do you pay for your cell phone? Newspaper? etc? It's similar concept. Consumers may not like it but plenty will more than likely adopt. maybe not on those platforms,b ut in the future. - Patricia
I start to think I would pay for friendfeed instead... - Marilín Gonzalo
I wouldn't pay for it. With it's unique communication model there are plenty of business models it should be able to think of that don't levy a fee on the non-power users. I can imagine that those who responded saying that they would pay for the service reap some kind of financial benefit from Twitter, but for the rest of us it's just a communication tool and we will move on to something else. -
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