I'm working with the Xumii crowd to carve our niche. It's a big space, and it's early days. A lot of people won't want to have additional social networks, but there is lots of room for niches and specialists, and also cross network plays.
It's also important to remember that the USA is just one small part of the total social network opportunity and is generally behind Europe and Asia in mobile. - Mick Liubinskas
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Marshall,
I agree to that "Open Source" could hardly be a business model. However, let me just play a game of words a little bit. How about "Open to bid Source", could it be a business model?
You see, that's the difference. Open Source opens platform and asks volunteers to contribute. Please be note that in this paradigm there is no separation between consumers and producers because basically the programming volunteers themselves are both of the consumers and the producers in this picture. This is the intrinsic reason that the present "Open Source" is not a business since to be a business there must be a separation between the group of consumers and the group of producers.
Now let see what the "Open to bid Source" might work. In essence, my intention is to create a group of consumers that is different from the group of producers. Thus the process of transaction may occur and a business model is established.
Again, in this new paradigm we may have a platform of open source. This time, however, the open so - Yihong Ding
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@Yihong,
In a way your model already happens. The only difference is that consumers hire producers ( programmers ) that modify the source to add new features or extend the system. The transaction happens internally in a "consumer organization".
If you want to move the line back so that the transaction touches upon the original creators, then the bid to Source system has to be more efficient than this one.
The problem is that you are introducing a middle man ( whoever manages the bidding system ) to broker the features, which is inherently less efficient.
So far, I would preferably hire programmers on a side to do exactly as I want, within my timeframe, under my control and bypass the brokers.
Just establishing dialog here.
I think these kind of ideas may get somewhere...
Best,
A - Aldo Bucchi
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Not a viable business model - except for the users, and the people they need to support the software, and the ones they need to customize it, and the ones they need to teach the users, and... Ooops - is there a business model there after all ? - Jean-Marc Liotier
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@Aldo,
Thank you for your addition. Certainly I know that this idea must not be a novel one since people have worked on the issue of Open Source for long time. Here is, however, the broker role that is actually the really interesting one.
Don't take me wrong. I fully understand your viewpoint that the addition of brokers may cause less efficient. However, there is another thought you might have overlooked as well. That is, how about the middle man is a community organizer rather than a broker. This is the Web-2.0 point of view versus the Web-1.0 point of view.
Therefore, the picture is not that developers seeking customers or customers looking for developers. It will be that both developers and customers joining an Open Source community simultaneously, and let the community be the judge that guides the growth of the Open Source platform.
In analogy, your described picture is a pure free market without government; and my described picture is a government-guided free market. Which one would be better? Wel - Yihong Ding
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I fell for the linkbait. I love the title sizzle but honestly...
s/No Longer/Never Was/g
Conflation is such a easy trap to fall into and even harder to get people to agree upon when it transpires.
I have had similar conversations with CFO's and we've all collectively agreed that the IP/IC generated by a business is when there is a defensible and unique product and/or service is rendered -- and a business model would be nice to have too.
;-)
Seriously. FOSS isn't a business [insert term].
FOSS isn't a salvation for bloated and busted non-FOSS.
FOSS is FOSS. - qthrul
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Provide something of value and interest...place customer benefit at the forefront and be clear about who you are (company and who at the company). Don't try and be shady a la Target and the Rounders, and you should be all right. - Alma Gray
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I think the problem here is that the browsing experience is very different on Flock and switching will really include quite a lengthy learning curve. And people generally don't seem to be extremely unhappy about their current browsing experience with availability of extensions for Firefox. - Svetlana Gladkova
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I've been using Firefox for years now, and upgraded several of my machines to 3.0.x - however, the more I get into social media, the more I want a browser which can access all these quickly. There are just so darned many ways to socialize these days...
While I like Facebook, I also find a great deal in FriendFeed, but I'm able to keep track of Twitter through a built-in twitterfeed on the toolbar And then there's Digg, Stumbleupon, YouTube, Flickr, de.licio.us, etc.
Being able to handle all these (and contribute to these) all from one interface is great stuff! A real time saver.
And also, I'm an eclectic blogger, having several blogs on several platforms. So having one browser which can access these quickly (and help me sign up for more...) is a plus.
But your mileage may vary -- - Robert Worstell
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I saw Meebo's talk at Future of Web Apps last week and they definitely know what they're doing technically. It's amazing to think something built on Gaim has grown into a service so popular. - Alex Young
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As much as Pidgin, Adium, and other messengers have brought cross platform chatting to the desktop, Meebo can do that for web based discussion.
XMPP brings significant compatibility with current networks, and others such as Facebook have announced plans to support XMPP. Expanding Meebo to other protocols and networks, such as IRC, may also be important.
Meebo is already helpful for users that want browser based messaging through multiple established networks, and it will be interesting to see if these features can improve 3rd party websites as well. - feedme
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"here's a follow-up, of what readers from RWW, digg and on Twitter responded when asked: what's next after web 2.0: http://www.readwriteweb.com/ar... ..." - Richard
Web 1.0 was about getting a page up. Web 2.0 was about adding interactivity and people to those pages. Web 3.0 will be about getting rid of the pages. - Robert Scoble
Next up? The "Social Web" in which the walls come down, and a new open stack (OpenID, OAuth, Portable Contacts, XRDS-Simple, OpenSocial, microformats) enables seemless interoperability, with users in control. - John McCrea
Smartass answer: Web 3.0. Real answer is about what Scoble said, 3.0 will be about the semantic web and bringing pieces together. - AJ Kohn
I don't know Robert--they've been talking about getting rid of the pages since TechWeb '96. What was it then? Windows DNA? - Chris Kenton
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Chris: everything old is new again. :-) - Robert Scoble
Another half-hearted 3.0 def. is when Brands get into the SN space in a real way. Call it 2.5. Whatever. Has a modicum of truthiness. - Marko Bon
Web 3.0 for business will help organizations get the most out of people, process, and technology. Web 3.0 for non-business will be about using technology to connect with people, places, and products. - Mark Bean
On the enterprise side, SEO and SFA both took root right after the DotCom bust. I've been placing my bet that the next big enterprise transformation will be social relations management--moving beyond social media monitoring and metrics. http://is.gd/3JdQ - Chris Kenton
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The final stage of development on the infrastructure side for the most part, and the fruition of the audience as users in that new environment. - Patricia
The eradication of the fixed workplace and the complete disintermediation of information. Doing away with major networks, newspapers, magazines, web sites and, regarding mobility, really allowing people to do what they do wherever they want to do it, from a knowledge worker perspective, at least. Anticipate a number of 2+point releases prior to 3.0. - Wilson Craig
I think it will be the advent of the truly "device-independent" web. No more separate sites for phones and computers. We'll see full location awareness, pages will be replaced with streaming, constantly updated personalized content (RSS/FriendFeed/Twitter combined and on steroids). - Kenton
Follow-up. Microformats are a pre-cursor for how the semantic web will deliver information. See Operator: http://tinyurl.com/yuwac7 - AJ Kohn
Great Depression 2 = dislocation of large chunk of US workforce & turbo-charging of indie work-for-hire and affiliate mrktg workforces. - Rob Sterling
Are we already looking for the next buzzword that will kickstart a new Web bubble? - xavier vespa
Interesting comments! Let me say this before I address some other points: of course there's only 1 Web. When I say "web 2.0" I mean this current era of the Web, just as we say "dot com" to refer to the previous era. There are distinct aspects about each, just as there will be for the next era. - Richard
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I think the current economic situation is a good wake up call, that rabid "Twitter for cats" type copy cats with no business model have not, will not make any sense, certainly not more than the behavior and mentality that started the current crisis in the first place, e.g. get rich quick aka get a startup out quick with no interest in whether the technology will actually make a difference from the consumer's point of view, or from the advertiser's point of view. I surmise that 90% of the apps popping up daily in the gotoweb2.0.net directory will be dead in a few months. Here's my .02:
1. I don't care what you call it, 2.0, 3.0, 10.0, 10.1.4 beta 1 or whatever. I think the next generation technologies will give a kick in the ass of true personalization. I know we heard this before but I don't mean personalization as in slapping a "hi, Dear Dan" type static message, I mean machine understanding/retrieval of user context via a mix of Machine Learning and smart metadata technologies that are able to parse out - Dan Grigorovici
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Interesting comments! Let me say this before I address some other points: of course there's only 1 Web. When I say "web 2.0" I mean this current era of the Web, just as we say "dot com" to refer to the previous era. There are distinct aspects about each, just as there will be for the next era. - Richard
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This does look promising for mainstream users, not early adopters.
As a Godaddy customer i'm finding it hard to relate Godaddy with Friendly UI, although they have improved their site lately.
I'm gonna try this service, interesting to see if they somehow integrate it with currently owned domains and hosting packages (they already offer paying customers lots of other free services).
Thanks a bunch for the detailed update. - Majento
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Sarah,
It is quite an interesting story. It seems GoDaddy becoming a new competitor to sites like Netvibes, or even Ning. But certainly it is a good move for GoDaddy.com since it sells new domains.
Moreover, GoDaddy may naturally integrate its SmartSpace service into its existing subscription-based business model, which could be a significant advantage over its free-subscription competitors such as Netvibes, especially in this economic downturn.
Good move, GoDaddy!
Yihong - Yihong Ding
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@Not with GoDaddy
:-) I would be glad if your claim could be true.
Actually, I am not cheering for GoDaddy. I just believe that this is a positive move for the site if it look for growing. Be honest, its business model would be better than the Netvibes though I have no confident at this moment that its service could be better than Netvibes. Netvibes is so far quite cool.
Yihong - Yihong Ding
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Great Post!
Excellent to see this is reaching mainstream Social Media.
Focusing on Twitter and Seesmic and whatnot is OK but don't forget that this is where real change is happening,
Where the internet becomes an enabling technology for something more than enterprise collaboration: freedom, democracy, health and education.
And this is why we need an integrative science to evolve ASAP. We need a framework to make sense of social disruption.
Would love to see an article on:
http://webscience.org/ - Aldo Bucchi
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And the more recent
http://www.webfoundation.org/
These initiatives appear totally disconnected from the current buzz, but they are actually at the core of the evolution of the web.
The RWW team could enter a virgin niche by becoming middle-men between their "academic obscurity" and the masses through posts like this one.
My 2 cents. - Aldo Bucchi
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