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Robert Scoble posted a message
“A-list blogger told me off about FriendFeed last night. Said that FF isn't a good business strategy for bloggers who want to get paid for their work. I told him that attitude is exactly why I am spending so much time there. ”
June 12 at 9:31 am - Link
gets to why bloggers are whining about commenting behaviors moving off of their blogs and onto FF. - Robert Scoble
"Adapt or become irrelevant" should be the mantra of everyone in technology-based fields. Progress waits for no man. - Mark Trapp
Pinned to Jack Kerouac's wall to inspire his writing: "Art is the highest task and the proper metaphysical activity of this life."-Nietzsche - Thomas Hawk
Who cares where comments are made as long as they are made. - Steve Hall via twhirl
What was the A-lister's favorite community site? Twitter or Facebook? - Phil Glockner
I'm being a little spammy here, but I posted some thoughts about that before: Ten FriendFeed Visitors Beats 1,000 StumbleUpons Any Day http://tinyurl.com/455lol - Hutch Carpenter
One of two things can happen. They'll get more traffic or they'll turn off their RSS feed. Seems like an easy choice to me. - Delete Me
I find myself as A FF user visting more links and seeing more blog pages than I ever did before. What about it isn't a "good business strategy" according to this nameless A-lister? Sounds like he/she isn't all that perceptive. - Brian Sullivan
Steve: if you are being paid for page views it matters a lot. - Robert Scoble
Do we get to play guess the A-lister? - Cyndy
Sorry but I have to disagree. If I posted some content on my blog, I'd like the discussion about it to be focused on that website. FF commentary feels like a hidden backchannel sometimes - Daniel Spisak via twhirl
I realized this on day 0. Removing conversation from my blog = Less adsense. We went through the same thing when RSS hit.. .now we have ads in RSS. - Bwana
You know what might help is if FriendFeed did a traceback (or trackback) to the blog and it referenced all the comments. - Delete Me
@Brian - I agree on reading more blogs via FriendFeed than I would have normally. - Hutch Carpenter
Scott, Wordpress has a plugin that does that, and there is development of a similar plugin/module for Drupal and Blogger. - Mark Trapp
Fantastic Robert! - Parth Awasthi via twhirl
One of these days we'll have a viable micro-payment system and when we comment or click "Like" anywhere on the tubez we'll also be paying $0.002 to the originator. - Tad, TV's Patrick Duffy via fftogo
Pageviews shouldn't be a concern if you're producing good content -- especially if you're an A-list blogger. If you're NOT producing good content as an A-list then you're just trying to live off your "fame". It's like crappy music artists who keep putting out crappy music and people still love it. - Shey
hmmm... ads on FF next? - Ron Emrick via Alert Thingy
Scott brings up a good point. If they have RSS, they already lost "pageviews" but subscriber counts are supposedly important. Why is it that the conversation on FriendFeed would not add to the quality of their blog? They would never turn off their RSS feed, so I think this seems a little hypocritical. - Rob Diana
Didn't Dave Winer say that he thought "professional blogger" was an oxymoron (or words to that effect). Maybe that reality is just coming home to roost? - Brian Sullivan
I have always found it interesting when people rail against progress because it hurts their business model, why not simply adapt your model? - Karen Swim via Alert Thingy
Mark, yes but if FriendFeed did tracebacks then it wouldn't be necessary to wait for plugins. Plus it would push more traffic to FriendFeed when people follow them from blogs. Most blogging platforms have traceback functionality. - Delete Me
@scoble: Its tottaly bugging me that my comments are on friendfeed! Its my ego at play for sure. Actually did blog post today about it: http://britneymason.com/?p=139 But that being said, im getting more feedback then ever..so its a give and take I guess - Britney Mason
Couldn't care less - not making money off my blog, and I'm sure I have more people reading my blog DUE to FF than in spite of it... - Jeremy Toeman
Tad, check out tipjoy.com - Delete Me
FriendFeed is surely much better for bloggers that feed readers are. It makes users more likely to click links (partially because full feed content isn't included) and discover new blogs. And seeing an interesting discussion on FF makes me even more likely to click through to the article. How is that bad? - Tony Ruscoe via fftogo
So many A-list bloggers are long overdue for an adjustment - the hubris is astonishing. Ballmer-esque, really. - Noah Carter
"Hubris Ballmer-esque" -- great phrase -- can I use it? - Brian Sullivan
When I read a blog, I don't waste any brain cells worrying how the author is getting compensated for the article posted. He (or she) should've figured that strategy out before I got there. If the content isn't compelling me to view the page, then there's another topic for the author to contemplate. - William Beem
Scott, that's cool, but I'm not interested until it's ubiquitous and much less than $0.10. I want it to be so inexpensive I can "tip" folks all day long and not hurt my finances. If millions of us do that all day some folks will be making serious cash. - Tad, TV's Patrick Duffy via fftogo
I would say it is exactly the reverse of his statement. Shall we extract him (her) from the A-list ? :) - Charlie Anzman
It will always be about the conversation. Have an informed opinion; be different; work hard; contribute. If I find someone out there I like, I will seek to grab as much information about him/her as possible. Blogging will never die because (if done well) it is the most introspective and personal medium: two areas that will become increasingly important as we get deeper into Web 2.0, 3.0 and beyond. - Stagekid
That said, check out my blog :) http://www.stagekid.com (a joke, people... well not really) - Stagekid
While bloggers get less pageviews due to comments moving away to aggregators, they gain much wider exposure which leads to more pageviews. Bottom line, the total number of pageviews stays the same or even increases with the added value of having more unique views, which has more value. - Amit Morson
@Brian please do. - Noah Carter
Just speaking for little old me, since I've gone almost exclusively FF, I have had an increase in traffic and no effect on adsense. I don't know what the fear is. - Jason Kaneshiro
I was wondering, does anyone know if there's a way to make the comments from FriendFeed automatically also show up in the relevant blog? Similar to how we can check a box to duplicate a post on Twitter? Would that maybe solve the problem? If it's possible to do, that is. - Kamilah Gill
My opinions here have been well documented. Over time, this will get easier and, eventually, solved. - Louis Gray
Kamilah, I expect to see that happening eventually with Disqus. I know they are working on it - implement disqus on your blog and it will come. - Jesse Stay via twhirl
being pragmatic, but page views is a dying business model within blogging. The blog is about personal branding and then you sell yourself as a service thereafter. Words and thoughts are commodities. - morten saxnaes
getting paid for page views is such narrow, and old, thinking ... same old paradigm in new cheap clothes - Gregory Lent
there's revenue associated with blogging??? :) - anna
Tad, I'm really active on Tipjoy, and it doesn't cost too much. You can tune it to $0.05, which is really cheap. You can tip 100 times daily for less than a big Starbucks coffee. For just $1 per day, you too can support this starving internet :D - Ivan Kirigin
FF is more for combining the work of others into a feed for yourself -- and combining all of your work into a single feed for others to consume. Has nothing to do with blogging imo. - xero
@Ivan - You better be active on TipJoy! @Tad I tuned TipJoy to $0.05 and use it when I come across someone with the buttons that writes something I like. I probably should use the bookmarklet to help spread the word, but I'm getting too many of those things. Hopefully now that TipJoy is on friendfeed we'll see a increase in usage - David Knight
@David the problem with TipJoy is you are limited to sending the money to charity or getting Amazon gift cards - sorry but that doesn't work for folks that just might want to use it as an alternative monitization method or donations - Steven Hodson
@Steven the cashing out issue is one that would be faced by any startup in our position - thanks to the regulatory framework around money transfer agents. It will be solved really soon, and we're trying to be very open about it. Also, we do let non-profits & platforms cash out. - Ivan Kirigin
If I had to document all the ways Friendfeed has be AWESOME for me, I'd have to write a book ... and it's barely out of the gate. Spoke with 3 people on the phone today that said they couldn't get enough - Charlie Anzman
Since I started using FF I actually see more comments on my blog and absolutely no impact on my (meager) advertising take. - Frederic
Amen, keep hittin' em hard out there. - Aaron Myers
I like FF, too. It's a great way to meet people, and it is driving traffic back to my blog. - Bill Sodeman
Many readers like FF. Blogger vs. Reader = Readers win. Always. (If not, they go somewhere else) - Pat Hawks
@Jesse Thanks, I'll have to look into Disqus. I've seen the name around but I know nothing about it. - Kamilah Gill
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impressive, keep going that way! - Marek
if there would be one thing to tempt into developing again it would be to play with this .. but no .. no ... I'll leave that to others - Steven Hodson
My original remote key had the word "dumb" in it. It made me smile, but I reset it anyway :) PS: Oops, after another reset of the key I get the first error: it says "502 Bad Gateway ... nginx/0.6.24" (at https://friendfeed.com/account...) PPS: Now it works again. - Philipp Lenssen
congrats! - Frederic
Congratulations! :-) - Jess Lee
Congrats! Please clarify - what is the maximum number of entries returned per fetch? - Aviv
100 entries is the current maximum. We would prefer applications request the default number (30) unless there is a compelling reason to request more. - Bret Taylor
So very awesome, great work guys! - Glenn Slaven
Wow, amazing how fast you guys get stuff done. - Ryan W
Love it. If only all APIs would come with a pre-wrapped PHP class. Why does the PHP class not precede functions with public or private by the way? - Philipp Lenssen
You guys rock! I have a few ideas for extending and improving, though with how fast you all iterate I'm afraid my ideas are going to clash with your roadmap. - Clint
Bret's news knocked my news off of the top of Techmeme today. It's on! - DeWitt Clinton
Bret, just out of curiosity: on what technology stack the FF is built? - Dmitriy Kopylenko
@Dmitriy: I believe the site is written in Python. No clue about database, server, or anything else. But I thought I'd answer with what I know (er, think I know ;-). - Voyagerfan5761
Pretty sure it's MySQL, I think I've seen them talk about it before, and they are definitely using nginx as a frontend - Benjamin Golub
I remember seeing some nginx (http server) errors a few days after they launched (edit: oops, just saw Benjamin's reference to nginx) - Aviv
@Voyagerfan Thanks. Would be interesting to know if it's Django or just vanilla Python - Dmitriy Kopylenko
Not Django, I asked that question a while back (when FF first opened up in beta). It is their own Python framework - Benjamin Golub
Thanks Benjamin. Is there any reason to "roll your own", here? - Dmitriy Kopylenko
I'm glad you posted a link for us non-techies so we could find out what the heck an API is/does! I'm excited to see what developers will come up with....I'm crossing my fingers for friendfeed mobile so I can easily use FF on my blackberry. - Emily Miller
I really enjoyed the Python API. I have just added FF support to http://eventseer.net, an academic event tracker written in Django... Allows you to share the conferences and people you're keeping track of on FF. Thanks! - Thomas Brox Røst
IMO there's overhead to a framework both in learning, radical customization, and speed. Django is cool when it fits the model of what you're building, but sometimes it's just easier to roll your own. One concrete example is I would prefer to use SQL directly rather than use the model stuff, which is great when it works, but painful when your database gets complicated. Just my experience, others will be different. - Chris White
Agree with Emily Miller. FriendFeed mobile! I can read FriendFeed on mobile, but can't like or comment anything. - Ontario Emperor
@emilymiller: if your phone supports IM you can use the jabber buddy friendfeed@imified.com to post comments to FF. We're still looking for some feedback on what other IM integrations make sense and are open to some feedback - Anthony Webb
Yes, when you have to write custom SQL, the benefits of a framework start to fade away. - Benjamin Golub
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“There is action of silence in Livejournal for today - in protest against SUP action to cease new basic accounts.”
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Interesting to know your opinion about today's news of them giving the basic accounts back (I've just published a post about it on Profy but I think the majority of LJ users will never agree with my point of view). - Svetlana Gladkova
hmmmm, looks like Jaiku had interesting "time machine" glitch, as I wrote this thing many weeks ago, yet topic of Livejournal is so dear for me that I feel necessary to add more below... - silpol
It's not time machine, it's just me searching for what people had to say about basic accounts cancellation back in March. And having LJ topic so dear to oneselfe is soooo Russian :) - Svetlana Gladkova via twhirl
ahuh, so it floated up on comment ;) - silpol
imho Livejournal deserves very special post in general, but with lack of time... While I do not deny money thing, I want to note that other variants could be considered but... It won't. SUP has decided to make mainstream media from LJ, hence makes all steps in that direction, and basic accounts MAY BE stay free for while but eventually this is gonna be 100% MONEY MACHINE WITH NICE ADD-ON FOR POLITICS BRAINWASH. It doesn't match with original Christiania http://tinyurl.com/y7kmfn ideas behind... - silpol
Unfortunately, nobody tried really during original and 6apart-part of era to experiment on business level, with other kinds of incomes - hence Fitzpatrick eventually cashed.in from 6apart and gone, and communities were left facing bloody SUP coming to 6apart with stashes of cash... Tragedy of commons in it's classics. - silpol
Yes, definitely! I've had a chance to talk to Sup guys in Paris in December days after the acquisition and they actually told the community did not matter and they did not care how many accounts are deleted because of it. Strange they have changed their minds this time and decided to listen to users - Svetlana Gladkova via twhirl
@profy: if that was their approach, there must have been some effect to the bottom line - Alex
@gmarketer юноша, пойдите потролльте где-то в другом месте... вот же планктон офисный, совсем нюх потеряли... - silpol
@Alex: Well, at least I was shocked to hear a CEO talking like this about its users like this. But I guess when some point is reached and you start to lose money heavily because of the users' revolt, you just can't help but listen to them. - Svetlana Gladkova via twhirl
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“My favorite feature of FriendFeed? The link under the "me" tab called "see both" (It's on the right under "Discussion")”
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I didn't know about that. Neato. - Jason Carter
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Nice shout-out there, Mathew and Allen. - Louis Gray
I think FriendFeed is going to shake this up more than many bloggers realize. - Robert Scoble
Thanks, Louis -- and for you as well :-) - mathew ingram
This is a really interesting rant coming from Mike Arrington. I wouldn't have expected it at all. - Corvida
If it does happen and they take down and replace cnet, the same thing could then happen to them by a new crop of upcoming bloggers. - Devin Anderson
I just wrote a blog about the changes I'm seeing. Great post Mike. - Robert Scoble
I'd like to see a band of bloggers take down Cnet. Just as long as that band doesn't become like Cnet (or mainstream media) in the process. - Jason Kaneshiro
@Robert, I read somewhere that FriendFeed is overhyped. - Louis Gray
Louis: it's way overhyped!!! :-) - Robert Scoble
And the pigs that overthrew the owners of the farm, eventually grew to be undistinguishable from the owners. - Bill Bittner
Would like to be able to "like" comments as well. Though I'm putting a big fat Love on Bill Bittner's. - Carla Thompson
I like this dream team concept. Like BlogNation but this time with some ethics. - Mike Doeff
Carla: Thanks! - Bill Bittner
d Mike Doeff what do you fucking know. Arrington published a stolen termsheet to kill the project/competitor. We raised the money but I stopped it because of idiots like you. Get a life. What have you ever done? - sam sethi via Alert Thingy
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“Help FriendFeed convert the skeptics! Vote "Yes, FriendFeed's a great service" here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
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Wow, have to say I'm surprised at all the negativity....how could someone *not* like friendfeed? - Benjamin Golub
Don't sweat Duncan Riley. He's like Mikey from the old life cereal commercial. He hates everything. In any case, I don't utilize services just cause the cool kids are there. I utilize them because they are useful. And FriendFeed is a useful tool for keeping track of 'people' as opposed to just subscribing to a blog. More at http://blog.awakenedvoice.com/.... - Rob Safuto
"As the chart I pulled from FriendFeed demonstrates, nearly half of all entries from my friends come from Twitter." Truth be told if half the entries I'd see here were from Twitter I wouldn't like Friendfeed either. So I guess it depends on your subscriptions (though of course it will be improved once the global-mutings-of-a-type-of-feed are implemented on the user settings page). - Philipp Lenssen
I like FriendFeed for the fact that it is introducing me to more people with the "friend of" feature. It's extending the conversation to a wider group of people. - Steven Melfi
I voted Yes, Friendfeed wins hands down on coverage of services, UI, and performance and most of all the private commenting community is rich, you are really on to something here, all the inane YouTube style comments are gone from here because you actually know the people or have few degrees of separation - this is a great product - Aneto
Duncan Riley signed up for one day. It takes more than a few minutes to get FriendFeed. But he's TC's resident grump. - Louis Gray
Can we impose a rule that you can't review services like FriendFeed unless you've been using the service for at least a week? Duncan brings up a few decent points but it reminds me of all of those MSM journalists who reviewed Twitter based on a quick glance at the Twitter home page. - Mike Doeff
I have a truly marvelous point-by-point debunking of this post which this margin is too narrow to contain. - j1m
"Can we impose a rule that you can't review services like FriendFeed unless you've been using the service for at least a week?" I think that's hardly feasible for a blog with multiple posts per day... imagine the blogger having to use dozens of crappy services throughout the week (we know FF isn't crappy, but some other services may be)! Of course, even if you use something just for a day you should follow your instinct if you think the tool needs longer evaluation, and disclose that in the post. Otherwise, I think what's more feasible is to write a follow-up once you used a service longer, and/ or integrate comments into the post from people who used it for longer already. (Some blogs don't update their post with comment feedback though, which I think is unfortunate.) - Philipp Lenssen
PS: On the other hand, there may well be a blogging niche for someone only actually doing a couple of used-for-a-week reviews per week. It would not be a news blog but a review blog. Hmm. It's easier if you are a niche blog focusing only on one company, I guess, because then you can take the time to use the company's tool for much longer stretches of time. - Philipp Lenssen
Hopefully this helps. http://tinyurl.com/2nfuer (I threw a Trackback as well) - Louis Gray
Voted. It is indeed a great service. Concept, UI, speed makes it a perfect.. Check it at least 3 times a day. - Zoltan Szendro
Voted Yes. - Carlo Maglinao
The poll's a little disappointing. The choices equate to 'I haven't heard of FriendFeed' 'I like FriendFeed' and 'I might try FriendFeed' but the results are framed as 'FriendFeed is not good, good, or undecided'. Sigh. - Kevin Fox
Still, it's an honest comment. Taking the devil's advocate stance can force people to view their choices in a different light. However, putting the survey at the end of such a blatantly negative article is definitely going to bias the outcome... if you could ever consider the survey "valid" in the first place. - Steve Lynch
Eh, you win some you lose some. You guys are lucky we covered you twice. I'm sure nobody here would be complaining if I had put that poll at the end of my post:http://www.techcrunch.com/2008... - Erick Schonfeld
In other words, take both posts together, and there's your balance. Anyway, blogs are not about balance. they are about strongly held convictions. And Duncan keeps us honest at TC with his. - Erick Schonfeld
"You guys are lucky we covered you twice" What stones you have! Are you so deluded that you think TechCrunch can make or break a company with a blog post? - Rob Safuto
I'm not complaining; I just care deeply about quantitative research methodologies. Anyway, one post was "FriendFeed News, here's an analysis" and the other was "FriendFeed sucks, I'm trying to stir up controversy." - Steve Lynch
Duncan's post actually reminded me of a Paul Saffo Long Now lecture on predictions: it's always a safe bet to take the other side when people are proclaiming the Next Big Thing. Look how it's driving traffic to his article. - Steve Lynch
I know I'm probably in the minority, but I actually like using FriendFeed by itself. I just like posting things from the web and discussing it with comments. - Chris White
When people start complaining about you, think you have arrived - Varun Mahajan
Rob: lol. =Chris - j1m
I think friendfeed is great for sharing, but it's also a good way of reliving your web history. I like going back and seeing the links I have posted, especially where they have images. - David Tapper
my tiny little gift for FF - bookmarklet in Java, put into your browser bookmarks and use for sharing, tetsed on FireFox, it works! javascript:location.href='http://friendfeed.com/share?ur... - silpol
A.T. there's an official bookmarklet, http://friendfeed.com/share/bo... - David Vasileff
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